[Ads-l] 1868 Disraeli-attributed quotation: "...My ancestors were lords of the tabernacle...his were naked savages...."

ADSGarson O'Toole adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM
Sat Jan 7 15:57:58 EST 2017


Below is a citation from 1857 that compared the ancestors of the
Chinese and English. The ancestral English were referred to as "naked
savages". This phrase also appeared in some of the Disraeli attributed
quotations, e.g., 1868.

[ref] 1857 Seventh Month (July) 25, Friends' Intelligencer, Volume 14,
Number 19, Character of the Chinese People, Quote Page 303, Published
by William W. Moore, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. (Google Books Full
View) link [/ref]

https://books.google.com/books?id=6oc7AQAAMAAJ&q=%22ancestors+of%22#v=snippet&

[Begin excerpt]
The Chinese understood the mariner's compass, gunpowder, the
manufacture of glass, printing on blocks, manufacturing paper, when
the ancestors of Englishmen were naked savages.
[End excerpt]

Garson


On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Jesse Sheidlower <jester at panix.com> wrote:
> I wasn't going to mention this earlier because it's the opposite of what we've been talking about (here Jews = exploited class), but since it's semi-famous and we're branching out:
>
> Hesh, the Jewish studio mogul, to Massive Genius, an African-American rap impresario seeing reparations for the treatment of exploited musicians:
>
> "You're talking to the wrong white man, my friend. My people were the white man's nigger when yours were still painting their faces and chasing zebras."
>
> --The Sopranos, "A Hit is a Hit" (Season 1, episode 10), 1999
>
> On Sat, Jan 07, 2017 at 11:48:12AM -0600, GEOFFREY NUNBERG wrote:
>> I heard an Italian version of this one several years ago, reported as if witnessed by the speaker himself. A bunch of Lega Nord (Northern separatist party) members were in Rome for a convention of some sort and were carousing in a taverna, making fun of the locals. One of the Romans finally stood up and said, “Senti, quando i vostri antenati si vestivano in pelle d’orso, i miei furono giá froci.” = “When your ancestors were wearing bear skins, mine were already faggots.”
>>
>> Geoff
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>> > From: ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM>
>> > Subject: Re: 1868 Disraeli-attributed quotation: "...My ancestors were lords of the tabernacle...his were naked savages...."
>> > Date: January 6, 2017 at 1:18:56 PM CST
>> >
>> >
>> > Great citation, Stephen. Thanks for sharing it, and thanks for posting
>> > on a different thread the 1860 citation with quotes attributed
>> > Frederic of Prussia, Marshal McMahon, and Napoleon in a book authored
>> > by James Parton.
>> > Garson
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:
>> >> Mr. D'Israeli never forgets--never allows others to forget--that he is of that race whence all our prophets came and Jesus Christ himself was born....
>> >>
>> >> On one occasion, when taunted with being a descendant perhaps of the thief on the cross, he replied, in proud and soul-stirring words, "My blood thrills with the traditions of my race! My ancestors were lords of the tabernacle and princes of Israel when his were naked savages in the woods of Northern Germany."
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>> >> March, 1868, The Phrenological Journal and Life Illustrated, p. 86 col. 1
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>> >> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924057441390;view=1up;seq=92
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>> >>
>> >> Stephen Goranson
>> >>
>> >> http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/
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