[Ads-l] "Alternative facts" for EOTY

Joel Berson berson at ATT.NET
Tue Jan 24 12:25:13 EST 2017


"Fact"?

Joel


      From: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
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Perh. cf. the threads on "fact" = 'nonfact.'

PS: Madonna uses the F-word. Stop the presses!

JL

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
wrote:

> Oops, sorry, Stephen.  I failed to notice your message before I posted
> similarly just now.  And of course, there’s also the point that the
> “lie”/“not really a fact” in question below was the same one being
> referenced today, about the millions of illegal immigrants who voted (as
> proved by the facts “people believe they have...to back that up”) just to
> deny Trump the landslide popular vote victory he richly deserved.
>
> LH
>
> > On Jan 24, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at DUKE.EDU> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever Conway meant, it reminded me of a Trump supporter, Scottie Nell
> Hughes, on the Diane Rehm Show last Nov. 30. Below is part of the
> transcript. The context is available at
> > http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2016-11-30/how-
> journalists-are-rethinking-their-role-under-a-trump-presidency
> >
> >
> > [....]
> >
> >  *
> > 10:22:31
> >
> > HUGHESWell, I think it's also an idea of an opinion. And that's -- on
> one hand I hear half the media saying that these are lies, but on the other
> half there are many people that go, no, it's true. And so one thing that
> has been interesting this entire campaign season to watch is that people
> that say facts are facts, they're not really facts. Everybody has a way,
> it's kind of like looking at ratings or looking at a glass of half-full
> water. Everybody has a way of interpreting them to be the truth or not true.
> >
> >  *
> >    *
> > 10:23:00
> >
> > HUGHESThere's no such thing, unfortunately, anymore of facts. And so Mr.
> Trump's tweet amongst a certain crowd, a large -- a large part of the
> population, are truth. When he says that millions of people illegally
> voted, he has some -- in his -- amongst him and his supporters, and people
> believe they have facts to back that up. Those that do not like Mr. Trump,
> they say that those are lies, and there's no facts to back it up. So...
> >
> > [....]
> >  *
> >    *
> > 10:25:36
> >
> > HUGHESBut because in many states you can mail things in, those were --
> so yes, there is facts to back up what I said and why Trump supporters
> believe it. You are wrong, sir. [....]
> >
> >
> > Stephen Goranson
> >
> > http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/
> >
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