[Ads-l] "Alternative facts" for EOTY

Ben Zimmer bgzimmer at GMAIL.COM
Tue Jan 24 13:20:50 EST 2017


That's a syndicated Associated Press report, even if it's on the Fox News
site.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Fox News reports on the President's documentation of the size of his crowd:
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/21/fact-check-trump-
> overstates-crowd-size-at-inaugural.html
>
> JL
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Joel Berson <berson at att.net> wrote:
>
> > "Fact"?
> >
> > Joel
> >
> >
> >       From: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM>
> >  To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >  Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 9:28 AM
> >  Subject: Re: [ADS-L] "Alternative facts" for EOTY
> >
> > Perh. cf. the threads on "fact" = 'nonfact.'
> >
> > PS: Madonna uses the F-word. Stop the presses!
> >
> > JL
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Oops, sorry, Stephen.  I failed to notice your message before I posted
> > > similarly just now.  And of course, there’s also the point that the
> > > “lie”/“not really a fact” in question below was the same one being
> > > referenced today, about the millions of illegal immigrants who voted
> (as
> > > proved by the facts “people believe they have...to back that up”) just
> to
> > > deny Trump the landslide popular vote victory he richly deserved.
> > >
> > > LH
> > >
> > > > On Jan 24, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at DUKE.EDU>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Whatever Conway meant, it reminded me of a Trump supporter, Scottie
> > Nell
> > > Hughes, on the Diane Rehm Show last Nov. 30. Below is part of the
> > > transcript. The context is available at
> > > > http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2016-11-30/how-
> > > journalists-are-rethinking-their-role-under-a-trump-presidency
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [....]
> > > >
> > > >  *
> > > > 10:22:31
> > > >
> > > > HUGHESWell, I think it's also an idea of an opinion. And that's -- on
> > > one hand I hear half the media saying that these are lies, but on the
> > other
> > > half there are many people that go, no, it's true. And so one thing
> that
> > > has been interesting this entire campaign season to watch is that
> people
> > > that say facts are facts, they're not really facts. Everybody has a
> way,
> > > it's kind of like looking at ratings or looking at a glass of half-full
> > > water. Everybody has a way of interpreting them to be the truth or not
> > true.
> > > >
> > > >  *
> > > >    *
> > > > 10:23:00
> > > >
> > > > HUGHESThere's no such thing, unfortunately, anymore of facts. And so
> > Mr.
> > > Trump's tweet amongst a certain crowd, a large -- a large part of the
> > > population, are truth. When he says that millions of people illegally
> > > voted, he has some -- in his -- amongst him and his supporters, and
> > people
> > > believe they have facts to back that up. Those that do not like Mr.
> > Trump,
> > > they say that those are lies, and there's no facts to back it up. So...
> > > >
> > > > [....]
> > > >  *
> > > >    *
> > > > 10:25:36
> > > >
> > > > HUGHESBut because in many states you can mail things in, those were
> --
> > > so yes, there is facts to back up what I said and why Trump supporters
> > > believe it. You are wrong, sir. [....]
> > > >
> > > >
>

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