[Ads-l] "said no X ever"

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Wed Jun 28 10:39:44 EDT 2017


Right; I too first encountered it on those Weekend Update segments, as I mentioned back in ’13 and Ben confirmed in the thread linked earlier, citing Amy Poehler:
http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2013-March/126378.html

But it has spread into commercials and such.

LH

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:23 AM, Peter Reitan <pjreitan at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> I associate the form with bits on SNL "news".
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>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:48 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at GMAIL.COM> =
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>> In my experience, moreover, the "ever" often gets emphatic stress.
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> I=E2=80=99ve often heard it without any stress on =E2=80=9Cever=E2=80=9D =
> or the rest of the tag.  I assumed the idea was to make it appear like =
> other parenthetical tags=E2=80=94=E2=80=9Csaid my sister=E2=80=9D, =
> =E2=80=9Csaid the Washington Post=E2=80=9D, or whatever=E2=80=94while of =
> course the function is to cancel the entire preceding statement in the =
> manner of retro-NOT or ironic "I *don=E2=80=99t* think=E2=80=9D.  Those =
> last two, on the other hand, are indeed always stressed.
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> When it=E2=80=99s a retort rather than a cancellation, so that the =
> utterer of =E2=80=9CSaid no one ever=E2=80=9D is distinct from the =
> utterer of the previous claim, there of course has to be stress, but =
> even then I haven=E2=80=99t noticed that it=E2=80=99s the =E2=80=9Cever=E2=
> =80=9D that gets an unusual amount of stress. =20
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> Too bad it appears to be on its way out, so it=E2=80=99s harder to find =
> corroboration or disproof for our competing claims. =20
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> LH=20
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>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Jonathan Lighter =
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>>> wrote:
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>>>> I don't believe I've ever heard it without the emphatic "ever."
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>>> I have the same feeling, FWIW. Maybe I've simply never noticed it =
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>>> the "ever."
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