[Ads-l] rude: noisy? frolicksome?

Andy Bach afbach at GMAIL.COM
Mon Sep 25 17:38:28 EDT 2017


Interest[ing], possibly, is that the soccer maneuver, where you trick your
defender in to sticking out a foot and then slip the ball between their
legs and go around them, is called a "nutmeg."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWEQs3XMMOo

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Andy Bach <afbach at gmail.com> wrote:

> > wooden nutmeg  n.  [compare Nutmeg State n. at nutmeg n.and adj.
> Compounds
> 2a <http://www.oed.com.proxy.library.nyu.edu/view/Entry/129313#eid33989130
> >
> ] U.S. a false or fraudulent thing; a fraud, cheat, or deception; also in
> more indirect allusions, as representing the type of something useless or
> worthless.
>
> Interest, possibly, is that the soccer maneuver, where you trick your
> defender in to sticking out a foot and then slip the ball between their
> legs and go around them, is called a "nutmeg."  Always supposed it had a
> testicular reference but maybe just it's just the fake-out that does it.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:52 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> I will answer to "nutmegger", too.  But I do believe that the nutmegs that
>> the Connecticut Yankees once sold were fake.
>> I notice that the OED doesn't have "nutmegger".
>> wooden nutmeg  n.  [compare Nutmeg State n. at nutmeg n.and adj. Compounds
>> 2a <http://www.oed.com.proxy.library.nyu.edu/view/Entry/129313#
>> eid33989130>
>> ] U.S. a false or fraudulent thing; a fraud, cheat, or deception; also in
>> more indirect allusions, as representing the type of something useless or
>> worthless.
>> Nutmeg State  n. U.S. the State of Connecticut (to some of whose
>> inhabitants was formerly imputed the practice of passing off nutmeg-shaped
>> pieces of wood as the spice).
>> GAT
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 3:50 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I prefer Nutmegger, too, actually.  I do believe, though, that the
>> nutmegs
>> > that the Connecticut Yankees once sold were fake.
>> > wooden nutmeg  n.  [compare Nutmeg State n. at nutmeg n.and adj.
>> Compounds
>> > 2a
>> > <http://www.oed.com.proxy.library.nyu.edu/view/Entry/129313#eid33989130
>> >]
>> > U.S. a false or fraudulent thing; a fraud, cheat, or deception; also in
>> > more indirect allusions, as representing the type of something useless
>> or
>> > worthless.
>> >   Nutmeg State  n. U.S. the State of Connecticut (to some of whose
>> > inhabitants was formerly imputed the practice of passing off
>> nutmeg-shaped
>> > pieces of wood as the spice).
>> > I notice that the OED doesn't have "nutmegger".
>> >
>> > I'm not clear as to what you think you have missed?  My original post
>> > quoting Miss Connecticut's 1795 diary?  If so, I will send it to you
>> > directly.
>> >
>> > GAT
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > On Sep 25, 2017, at 12:01 PM, George Thompson <
>> george.thompson at NYU.EDU>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I had noticed the entry for "rude boy" in the OED.  As for "rude"
>> >> meaning
>> >> > obscene, I don't suppose that that was what Miss Connecticut was
>> >> admitting
>> >> > to in what the editor called a diary but seems in fact to have been a
>> >> > letter or series of letters to a girl friend.
>> >>
>> >> Missed this somehow.  Link?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I spoke of the writer as being a landsman -- she used the word
>> >> > "Connecticutarian" which I hope Larry will proudly accept as well.
>> >> >
>> >> > GAT, born in Meriden.
>> >>
>> >> Nope, it’s “Nutmegger" or die for me.  If Massachusettsans can live
>> with
>> >> being “Bay Staters”, we should be proud to derive our identity from the
>> >> spice that’s both valuable enough to cause Reagan to invade Granada
>> over it
>> >> *and* tasty enough to flavor our eggnog.
>> >>
>> >> LH
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
>> >> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In my experience, "rude" = 'bawdy; obscene' is known to older
>> British
>> >> >> speakers as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I must have encountered it in the '60s, with no suggestion that it
>> was
>> >> a
>> >> >> novelty. I associate it with the sometimes hilariously "rude" rugby
>> >> song
>> >> >> repertoire.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Outway rude" may have been the collocation I met with.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> JL
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Jim Parish <jparish at siue.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Wilson Gray wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> The senses of “rude” as applied to human behavior are, I think,
>> all
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> negative.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Except in BE slang , of course, wherein, like “hard,” It’s a
>> synonym
>> >> >> of
>> >> >>>>> “bad.” “Rude”and “hard”In the sense of “bad” go so far back that
>> I
>> >> >> don’t
>> >> >>>>> know f’ sho’ where I first heard them. The time-frame is between
>> >> 1945
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>>>> 1950, though.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> What does it mean in the title of Desmond Dekker's "Rude Boy
>> Train"?
>> >> (I
>> >> >>>> love the sound of his voice, but I very rarely understand what
>> he's
>> >> >>> saying.)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> OED3 (Mar. 2011 update), under "rude":
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> _rude boy_  n.  (a) (orig. and chiefly Jamaican) any of a class of
>> >> >>> unemployed black youths inhabiting the poorer areas of Jamaica and
>> >> >>> typically seen as indolent and apt to commit petty crimes; a
>> >> comparable
>> >> >>> youth in another society;  (b) (with reference to such youths as a
>> >> >> frequent
>> >> >>> subject of ska lyrics) a member of the subculture associated with
>> ska,
>> >> >> esp.
>> >> >>> in Britain.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 1967   _Caribbean Q._ Sept. 39   Rude bwoy is that person, native,
>> >> who is
>> >> >>> totally disenchanted with the ruling system; who generally is
>> >> descended
>> >> >>> from the ‘African’ elements in the lower class... Rude bwoys are
>> >> largely
>> >> >>> centred in those urban areas that suffer from chronic depression.
>> >> >>> [etc.]
>> >> >>>
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > George A. Thompson
>> >> > The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
>> >> > Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre",
>> Northwestern
>> >> > Univ. Pr., 1998.
>> >> >
>> >> > But when aroused at the Trump of Doom / Ye shall start, bold kings,
>> from
>> >> > your lowly tomb. . .
>> >> > L. H. Sigourney, "Burial of Mazeen", Poems.  Boston, 1827, p. 112
>> >> >
>> >> > The Trump of Doom -- also known as The Dunghill Toadstool.  (Here's a
>> >> > picture of his great-grandfather.)
>> >> > http://www.parliament.uk/worksofart/artwork/james-gillray/
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>> >> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > George A. Thompson
>> > The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
>> > Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
>> > Univ. Pr., 1998.
>> >
>> > But when aroused at the Trump of Doom / Ye shall start, bold kings, from
>> > your lowly tomb. . .
>> > L. H. Sigourney, "Burial of Mazeen", Poems.  Boston, 1827, p. 112
>> >
>> > The Trump of Doom -- also known as The Dunghill Toadstool.  (Here's a
>> > picture of his great-grandfather.)
>> > http://www.parliament.uk/worksofart/artwork/james-
>> > gillray/an-excrescence---a-fungus-alias-a-toadstool-upon-a-
>> dunghill/3851
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> George A. Thompson
>> The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
>> Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
>> Univ. Pr., 1998.
>>
>> But when aroused at the Trump of Doom / Ye shall start, bold kings, from
>> your lowly tomb. . .
>> L. H. Sigourney, "Burial of Mazeen", Poems.  Boston, 1827, p. 112
>>
>> The Trump of Doom -- also known as The Dunghill Toadstool.  (Here's a
>> picture of his great-grandfather.)
>> http://www.parliament.uk/worksofart/artwork/james-gillray/
>> an-excrescence---a-fungus-alias-a-toadstool-upon-a-dunghill/3851
>>
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