[Ads-l] rude: noisy? frolicksome?

Andy Bach afbach at GMAIL.COM
Mon Sep 25 17:36:40 EDT 2017


> wooden nutmeg  n.  [compare Nutmeg State n. at nutmeg n.and adj. Compounds
2a <http://www.oed.com.proxy.library.nyu.edu/view/Entry/129313#eid33989130>
] U.S. a false or fraudulent thing; a fraud, cheat, or deception; also in
more indirect allusions, as representing the type of something useless or
worthless.

Interest, possibly, is that the soccer maneuver, where you trick your
defender in to sticking out a foot and then slip the ball between their
legs and go around them, is called a "nutmeg."  Always supposed it had a
testicular reference but maybe just it's just the fake-out that does it.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:52 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu>
wrote:

> I will answer to "nutmegger", too.  But I do believe that the nutmegs that
> the Connecticut Yankees once sold were fake.
> I notice that the OED doesn't have "nutmegger".
> wooden nutmeg  n.  [compare Nutmeg State n. at nutmeg n.and adj. Compounds
> 2a <http://www.oed.com.proxy.library.nyu.edu/view/Entry/129313#eid33989130
> >
> ] U.S. a false or fraudulent thing; a fraud, cheat, or deception; also in
> more indirect allusions, as representing the type of something useless or
> worthless.
> Nutmeg State  n. U.S. the State of Connecticut (to some of whose
> inhabitants was formerly imputed the practice of passing off nutmeg-shaped
> pieces of wood as the spice).
> GAT
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 3:50 PM, George Thompson <george.thompson at nyu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I prefer Nutmegger, too, actually.  I do believe, though, that the
> nutmegs
> > that the Connecticut Yankees once sold were fake.
> > wooden nutmeg  n.  [compare Nutmeg State n. at nutmeg n.and adj.
> Compounds
> > 2a
> > <http://www.oed.com.proxy.library.nyu.edu/view/Entry/129313#eid33989130
> >]
> > U.S. a false or fraudulent thing; a fraud, cheat, or deception; also in
> > more indirect allusions, as representing the type of something useless or
> > worthless.
> >   Nutmeg State  n. U.S. the State of Connecticut (to some of whose
> > inhabitants was formerly imputed the practice of passing off
> nutmeg-shaped
> > pieces of wood as the spice).
> > I notice that the OED doesn't have "nutmegger".
> >
> > I'm not clear as to what you think you have missed?  My original post
> > quoting Miss Connecticut's 1795 diary?  If so, I will send it to you
> > directly.
> >
> > GAT
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> > On Sep 25, 2017, at 12:01 PM, George Thompson <
> george.thompson at NYU.EDU>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I had noticed the entry for "rude boy" in the OED.  As for "rude"
> >> meaning
> >> > obscene, I don't suppose that that was what Miss Connecticut was
> >> admitting
> >> > to in what the editor called a diary but seems in fact to have been a
> >> > letter or series of letters to a girl friend.
> >>
> >> Missed this somehow.  Link?
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I spoke of the writer as being a landsman -- she used the word
> >> > "Connecticutarian" which I hope Larry will proudly accept as well.
> >> >
> >> > GAT, born in Meriden.
> >>
> >> Nope, it’s “Nutmegger" or die for me.  If Massachusettsans can live with
> >> being “Bay Staters”, we should be proud to derive our identity from the
> >> spice that’s both valuable enough to cause Reagan to invade Granada
> over it
> >> *and* tasty enough to flavor our eggnog.
> >>
> >> LH
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Jonathan Lighter <
> >> wuxxmupp2000 at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In my experience, "rude" = 'bawdy; obscene' is known to older British
> >> >> speakers as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> I must have encountered it in the '60s, with no suggestion that it
> was
> >> a
> >> >> novelty. I associate it with the sometimes hilariously "rude" rugby
> >> song
> >> >> repertoire.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Outway rude" may have been the collocation I met with.
> >> >>
> >> >> JL
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Jim Parish <jparish at siue.edu>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Wilson Gray wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> The senses of “rude” as applied to human behavior are, I think,
> all
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> negative.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Except in BE slang , of course, wherein, like “hard,” It’s a
> synonym
> >> >> of
> >> >>>>> “bad.” “Rude”and “hard”In the sense of “bad” go so far back that I
> >> >> don’t
> >> >>>>> know f’ sho’ where I first heard them. The time-frame is between
> >> 1945
> >> >>> and
> >> >>>>> 1950, though.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> What does it mean in the title of Desmond Dekker's "Rude Boy
> Train"?
> >> (I
> >> >>>> love the sound of his voice, but I very rarely understand what he's
> >> >>> saying.)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> OED3 (Mar. 2011 update), under "rude":
> >> >>>
> >> >>> _rude boy_  n.  (a) (orig. and chiefly Jamaican) any of a class of
> >> >>> unemployed black youths inhabiting the poorer areas of Jamaica and
> >> >>> typically seen as indolent and apt to commit petty crimes; a
> >> comparable
> >> >>> youth in another society;  (b) (with reference to such youths as a
> >> >> frequent
> >> >>> subject of ska lyrics) a member of the subculture associated with
> ska,
> >> >> esp.
> >> >>> in Britain.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 1967   _Caribbean Q._ Sept. 39   Rude bwoy is that person, native,
> >> who is
> >> >>> totally disenchanted with the ruling system; who generally is
> >> descended
> >> >>> from the ‘African’ elements in the lower class... Rude bwoys are
> >> largely
> >> >>> centred in those urban areas that suffer from chronic depression.
> >> >>> [etc.]
> >> >>>
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> >> > George A. Thompson
> >> > The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
> >> > Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
> >> > Univ. Pr., 1998.
> >> >
> >> > But when aroused at the Trump of Doom / Ye shall start, bold kings,
> from
> >> > your lowly tomb. . .
> >> > L. H. Sigourney, "Burial of Mazeen", Poems.  Boston, 1827, p. 112
> >> >
> >> > The Trump of Doom -- also known as The Dunghill Toadstool.  (Here's a
> >> > picture of his great-grandfather.)
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> >
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> > --
> > George A. Thompson
> > The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
> > Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
> > Univ. Pr., 1998.
> >
> > But when aroused at the Trump of Doom / Ye shall start, bold kings, from
> > your lowly tomb. . .
> > L. H. Sigourney, "Burial of Mazeen", Poems.  Boston, 1827, p. 112
> >
> > The Trump of Doom -- also known as The Dunghill Toadstool.  (Here's a
> > picture of his great-grandfather.)
> > http://www.parliament.uk/worksofart/artwork/james-
> > gillray/an-excrescence---a-fungus-alias-a-toadstool-upon-a-dunghill/3851
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> George A. Thompson
> The Guy Who Still Looks Stuff Up in Books.
> Author of A Documentary History of "The African Theatre", Northwestern
> Univ. Pr., 1998.
>
> But when aroused at the Trump of Doom / Ye shall start, bold kings, from
> your lowly tomb. . .
> L. H. Sigourney, "Burial of Mazeen", Poems.  Boston, 1827, p. 112
>
> The Trump of Doom -- also known as The Dunghill Toadstool.  (Here's a
> picture of his great-grandfather.)
> http://www.parliament.uk/worksofart/artwork/james-
> gillray/an-excrescence---a-fungus-alias-a-toadstool-upon-a-dunghill/3851
>
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