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Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Wed Jul 25 22:43:39 EDT 2018


Interesting.  For me,  “I went and hit ‘im” would be more likely.  Or, in a more pacific mode, “I went and kissed ‘er” or “I went and hugged ‘im".  Or even (from the eponymous song title) “she hauled off and kissed me”. Not sure any of these are things I’d say, but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else did.  “I took and kissed ‘er” would be much more unusual.   YMMV, and evidently it does.

LH

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
>> I learned it growing up in SE Michigan.
> 
> I learned it growing up in NE Texas. I considered it to be peculiar to
> BE/Southern(?) till ca.1977, when I heard a white colleague from
> Connecticut(!) say, as he was describing a bar fight of his lost youth, "I
> took and hit 'im!"
> 
> The shock probably took a year or so off my life. Really! I was taken
> totally aback! I would have been equally surprised, had he said, "I went
> and hit 'im" or "I went to hit 'im (but I missed.)" But...
> 
> Youneverknow.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:11 PM Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I know "take and" is Inland Northern, but I don't know how widely it's
>> distributed there or in neighboring areas.  I learned it growing up in SE
>> Michigan.
>> 
>> Herb
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:49 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Meant to include the link:
>>> https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/try-and
>>> 
>>>> The YGDP page on “try and” does make this point (with citations), and
>>> mentions other cases of “pseudocoordjination”, such as “be sure and”, “go
>>> and”, “come and”, “remember and”, etc.  But not “take and”, which may be
>>> more subject to regional variation.  Thanks for the tip, Herb!
>>>> 
>>>> I’m not sure if “stand by and” is in this class, and the ones mentioned
>>> by Goldsmith and Lakoff that I cited in my previous message to the list
>>> certainly seem quite different in that “and” is not used as a
>>> complementizer there.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> LH
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 1:52 PM Geoffrey Nathan <
>> geoffnathan at wayne.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please ignore the political message (or not, as you choose) but
>>> there’s a
>>>>>> meme floating around on Facebook that straightforwardly violates
>> Ross’s
>>>>>> Coordinate Noun Phrase Constraint (or any of its modern versions).
>>>>>> Apologies if you’re not into such syntactic minutiae:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How much treason do you need to stand by and watch Trump commit?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How much treason{i} do you need to [
>>>>>>   ]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                                   [stand by] and [watch Trump commit
>>>>>> X{i} ]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (FWIW George Lakoff found a few of these several years ago, but I
>>> haven’t
>>>>>> seen one live in a while)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Geoffrey S. Nathan
>>>>>> WSU Information Privacy Officer (Retired)
>>>>>> Emeritus Professor, Linguistics Program
>>>>>> http://blogs.wayne.edu/proftech/
>>>>>> geoffnathan at wayne.edu
>>>>>> 
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