[Ads-l] Oops

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Wed Jul 25 22:33:27 EDT 2018


> I learned it growing up in SE Michigan.

I learned it growing up in NE Texas. I considered it to be peculiar to
BE/Southern(?) till ca.1977, when I heard a white colleague from
Connecticut(!) say, as he was describing a bar fight of his lost youth, "I
took and hit 'im!"

The shock probably took a year or so off my life. Really! I was taken
totally aback! I would have been equally surprised, had he said, "I went
and hit 'im" or "I went to hit 'im (but I missed.)" But...

Youneverknow.

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:11 PM Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know "take and" is Inland Northern, but I don't know how widely it's
> distributed there or in neighboring areas.  I learned it growing up in SE
> Michigan.
>
> Herb
>
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 2:49 PM Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Meant to include the link:
> > https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/try-and
> >
> > > The YGDP page on “try and” does make this point (with citations), and
> > mentions other cases of “pseudocoordjination”, such as “be sure and”, “go
> > and”, “come and”, “remember and”, etc.  But not “take and”, which may be
> > more subject to regional variation.  Thanks for the tip, Herb!
> > >
> > > I’m not sure if “stand by and” is in this class, and the ones mentioned
> > by Goldsmith and Lakoff that I cited in my previous message to the list
> > certainly seem quite different in that “and” is not used as a
> > complementizer there.
> > >
> > >
> > > LH
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 1:52 PM Geoffrey Nathan <
> geoffnathan at wayne.edu>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Please ignore the political message (or not, as you choose) but
> > there’s a
> > >>> meme floating around on Facebook that straightforwardly violates
> Ross’s
> > >>> Coordinate Noun Phrase Constraint (or any of its modern versions).
> > >>> Apologies if you’re not into such syntactic minutiae:
> > >>>
> > >>> How much treason do you need to stand by and watch Trump commit?
> > >>>
> > >>> How much treason{i} do you need to [
> > >>>    ]
> > >>>
> > >>>                                    [stand by] and [watch Trump commit
> > >>> X{i} ]
> > >>>
> > >>> (FWIW George Lakoff found a few of these several years ago, but I
> > haven’t
> > >>> seen one live in a while)
> > >>>
> > >>> Geoff
> > >>>
> > >>> Geoffrey S. Nathan
> > >>> WSU Information Privacy Officer (Retired)
> > >>> Emeritus Professor, Linguistics Program
> > >>> http://blogs.wayne.edu/proftech/
> > >>> geoffnathan at wayne.edu
> > >>>
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