[Ads-l] Antedating of "Craps" (Game)

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Wed Jun 13 11:45:53 EDT 2018


In both excerpts, we see “Creps” listed alongside “Craps”.  A variant dice game? A variant spelling? Craps with a side of thin (masculine) pancakes?  Inquiring minds want to know!

LH

> On Jun 13, 2018, at 11:22 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Here is a slightly earlier example of craps in French in 1816.
> 
> Date: January 20, 1816
> Periodical: L'Ambigu: ou Variétés Littéraires, et Politiques
> Chapter: LXXVIII
> Quote Page 146
> Publisher: Imprimé pour Schulze et Dean, A Londres (For Schulze and
> Dean, London)
> 
> https://books.google.com/books?id=CCcDAAAAYAAJ&q=craps#v=snippet&
> 
> [Begin excerpt – double-check for errors]
> "Par la volonté de l'empereur la décision de Son Excellence M. Fouché
> et notre assentiment, le conseil de préfecture de. . . . laissera
> établir dans la bonne ville de. . . . Roulettes, Banques de Trente-un,
> Passe-dix, Craps, Creps, Pharaons, Lansquenets, Biribis, et toutes
> autres sages inventions de ce genre pour le délassement de nos bons
> administrés;
> [End excerpt]
> 
> Garson
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 12:09 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole
> <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wonderful citation, Stephen. New Orleans has a strong connection to
>> France, so a French source is natural I think. It would be nice to
>> have a description of the 1818 version of the craps game in French,
>> but that may be difficult to obtain. The page image also lists
>> "Creps".
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:38 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:
>>> Here's the 1818 French original with Craps, etc.:
>>> 
>>> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951000729960p;view=1up;seq=229
>>> 
>>> Stephen
>>> 
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>>> Feb. 13 (Saturday), 1819
>>> 
>>> Columbian Museum and Savanna Daily Gazette, p. 2, col. e
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> 
>>> GAMING AT PARIS
>>> 
>>> The following detail on the Public Gaming Tables of Paris....
>>> 
>>> ....
>>> 
>>> 1 do [ditto = Tables] of Craps.
>>> 
>>> ....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stephen Goranson
>>> 
>>> http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/
>>> Stephen Goranson's Home Page - Duke University<http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/>
>>> people.duke.edu
>>> "Celsus of Pergamum: Locating a Critic of Early Christianity," Ch. 30 in The Archaeology of Difference: Gender, Ethnicity, Class and the "Other" in Antiquity: Studies in Honor of Eric M. Meyers (AASOR 60/61, 2007 ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stephen Goranson's Home Page - Duke University<http://people.duke.edu/~goranson/>
>>> people.duke.edu
>>> "Celsus of Pergamum: Locating a Critic of Early Christianity," Ch. 30 in The Archaeology of Difference: Gender, Ethnicity, Class and the "Other" in Antiquity: Studies in Honor of Eric M. Meyers (AASOR 60/61, 2007 ...
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>>> 
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>>> Subject: [ADS-L] Antedating of "Craps" (Game)
>>> 
>>> craps (game) (OED 1843)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1842 _Newark_ (N.J.) _Daily Advertiser_ 6 Dec. 1/2  The common game of _craps_ in New Orleans (resembling the English "hazard") has been pronounced gambling by the conviction of a noted house on the 25th ult.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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