[Ads-l] Antedating of "Craps" (Game)

ADSGarson O'Toole adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM
Wed Jun 13 12:32:00 EDT 2018


An 1883 French-English dictionary says that "creps" is a "sort of game
at dice". The Dictionary does not appear to have an entry for "craps".

Year: MDCCCLXXXIII = 1883
Book: Dictionnaire International Français-Anglais
Page 237, Column 1
Publisher: Sampson Low and Company, London also Ch. Fouraut et Fils, Paris

https://books.google.com/books?id=sQc2AQAAMAAJ&q=%22game+at+dice%22#v=snippet&

[Begin excerpt – check for errors]
CREPS, krayps, sm. sort of game at dice.
[End excerpt]

Garson


On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
> In both excerpts, we see “Creps” listed alongside “Craps”.  A variant dice game? A variant spelling? Craps with a side of thin (masculine) pancakes?  Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> LH
>
>> On Jun 13, 2018, at 11:22 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole <adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Here is a slightly earlier example of craps in French in 1816.
>>
>> Date: January 20, 1816
>> Periodical: L'Ambigu: ou Variétés Littéraires, et Politiques
>> Chapter: LXXVIII
>> Quote Page 146
>> Publisher: Imprimé pour Schulze et Dean, A Londres (For Schulze and
>> Dean, London)
>>
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=CCcDAAAAYAAJ&q=craps#v=snippet&
>>
>> [Begin excerpt – double-check for errors]
>> "Par la volonté de l'empereur la décision de Son Excellence M. Fouché
>> et notre assentiment, le conseil de préfecture de. . . . laissera
>> établir dans la bonne ville de. . . . Roulettes, Banques de Trente-un,
>> Passe-dix, Craps, Creps, Pharaons, Lansquenets, Biribis, et toutes
>> autres sages inventions de ce genre pour le délassement de nos bons
>> administrés;
>> [End excerpt]
>>
>> Garson
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 12:09 AM, ADSGarson O'Toole
>> <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Wonderful citation, Stephen. New Orleans has a strong connection to
>>> France, so a French source is natural I think. It would be nice to
>>> have a description of the 1818 version of the craps game in French,
>>> but that may be difficult to obtain. The page image also lists
>>> "Creps".
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:38 AM, Stephen Goranson <goranson at duke.edu> wrote:
>>>> Here's the 1818 French original with Craps, etc.:
>>>>
>>>> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951000729960p;view=1up;seq=229
>>>>
>>>> Stephen
>>>>
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>>>> Feb. 13 (Saturday), 1819
>>>>
>>>> Columbian Museum and Savanna Daily Gazette, p. 2, col. e
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> GAMING AT PARIS
>>>>
>>>> The following detail on the Public Gaming Tables of Paris....
>>>>
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>> 1 do [ditto = Tables] of Craps.
>>>>
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Goranson
>>>>
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>>>> craps (game) (OED 1843)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1842 _Newark_ (N.J.) _Daily Advertiser_ 6 Dec. 1/2  The common game of _craps_ in New Orleans (resembling the English "hazard") has been pronounced gambling by the conviction of a noted house on the 25th ult.
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