[Ads-l] Heard: dialogue

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Wed May 2 16:59:31 EDT 2018


> Yet, nary a soupçon of Black influence. (Such racism.)

It was not my intention to suggest that "between [...] and I" is of black
origin, but only to describe what happened when the attempt was made by
white, middle-class, Catholic nuns to teach working-class, black children
accustomed to hearing and saying "me and [...] is/are..." and "between me
and [...]" that these constructions were not "proper English" and that "you
and I are" and "between [...] and me" were the only correct (hence, formal,
as Jon suggests) constructions.

I regret the lack of clarity.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've always considered "me, three" and "third the motion" to be jocular
> expressions. But, between you-all and I, people who use "between [...] and
> I" are fully persuaded that that is the correct, proper-English
> construction, "seem like to me," as those good folks who come from home
> say. Of course, people who use "between [...] and I" may also be just
> kidding, as the case, here.
>
> Youneverknow.
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:09 PM, ADSGarson O'Toole <
> adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Baker wrote:
>> > I certainly remember kids saying this c. 1970.  Also, “I third the
>> motion.”
>>
>> Below is an instance from 1833 of "Me too" followed by "Me three". The
>> beginning of the article states that the text was copied "from a late
>> New York paper"; hence, an earlier citation probably exists.
>>
>> I searched the Oxford English Dictionary and did not find a phrase
>> entry for "me three". There are 47 matches in the quotes, but none
>> seems pertinent.
>>
>> Date: July 26, 1833
>> Newspaper: North Carolina Sentinel (Newbern Sentinel)
>> Newspaper Location: New Bern, North Carolina
>> Article: Black Hawk
>> Quote Page 1, Column 3
>> Database: Newspapers.com
>>
>> [Begin excerpt]
>> Belinda, (sighing). —"Oh that heaven had made me such a man," as
>> Shakespeare says.
>>
>> Arabella.—And me two, Belinda.
>>
>> Amelia. And me three, Arabella. Only see him walk—what a majestic gait he
>> has!
>> [End excerpt]
>>
>> Garson
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
>> Behalf Of W Brewer
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:19 AM
>> > To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> > Subject: Re: Heard: dialogue
>> >
>> > A: "I wanna ice cream cone!"
>> > B: "Me, too!"
>> > C: "Me, three!"
>> >
>> > #MeToo ... That should be #IAlso. ---Mr. Tweedly, censor from the
>> > Citizens Radio Committee.
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> --
> -Wilson
> -----
> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> -Mark Twain
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-Wilson
-----
All say, "How hard it is that we have to die!"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
-Mark Twain

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