[Ads-l] choke up =? emotional

Barretts Mail mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM
Tue Sep 11 02:12:08 EDT 2018


I pasted it in from this thread. The video you are referring to is of Sam Bailey at her X Factor audition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoXTQ_h4uhs), which was in the initial email in the thread. My apologies for the confusion. BB

> On 10 Sep 2018, at 13:48, Mark Mandel <Mark.A.Mandel at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> This is bizarre. My second paragraph below— at the bottom of this email,
> highlighted in yellow— has nothing to do with the video being referred to.
> I have NFI ("No idea whatsoever, Your Honor") how it got in there. Maybe it
> was still on my clipboard and I accidentally pasted it. With reference to
> my .sig line there, I'm pretty sure no other drug was involved. Lack of
> sleep, quite possibly.
> 
> Mark Mandel
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 2:23 PM Barretts Mail <mail.barretts at gmail.com <mailto:mail.barretts at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Here is Naomi Osaka saying “Your question making me emotional” (
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiHP603v4qo <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiHP603v4qo> <
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiHP603v4qo <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiHP603v4qo>>, 8:50) after which she has
>> to pause in her response several times to stifle tears.
>> 
>> Looking back over this thread (not all emails quoted below), it seems that
>> “emotional” is used primarily to refer to situations where you are choked
>> up (“verklempt" as Ben Zimmer pointed out in this thread), but not overcome
>> with other emotions such as awe, gratitude, horror, resentment, shyness or
>> surprise, to name a few from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion> <
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion>>.
>> 
>> M-W meaning three with “emotional sermon” might go beyond the scope of
>> verklempt, but it seems unlikely that “emotional” can refer to simply any
>> emotion.
>> 
>> Benjamin Barrett
>> Formerly of Seattle, WA
>> 
>>> On 10 Sep 2017, at 12:56, Chris Waigl <chris at LASCRIBE.NET> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you want adjectives, I use words like weepy or teary (usually with a
>>> qualifier like "all"), informally; though more often I'd use the
>>> corresponding verb.
>>> 
>>> On the original question, I do think that the adjective emotional has
>>> different senses in the examples. I'm actually quite fine with how the
>>> online version of M-W breaks it down in four senses:
>>> 
>>> ===
>>> 
>>> 1:  of or relating to emotion -- an emotional disorder
>>> 2:  dominated by or prone to emotion -- an emotional person
>>> 3:  appealing to or arousing emotion -- an emotional sermon
>>> 4:  markedly aroused or agitated in feeling or sensibilities -- gets
>>> emotional at weddings
>>> 
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emotional
>>> 
>>> ===
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/10/17 6:48 AM, Margaret Winters wrote:
>>>> overcome?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------
>>>> MARGARET E WINTERS
>>>> Former Provost
>>>> Professor Emerita - French and Linguistics
>>>> Wayne State University
>>>> Detroit, MI  48202
>>>> 
>>>> mewinters at wayne.edu
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of
>> Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at GMAIL.COM>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 6:15 PM
>>>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: choke up =? emotional
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Barretts Mail wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there an English adjective other than “emotional” to describe the
>>>>> emotion when you are overwhelmed by, err, emotion?
>>>> 
>>>> Verklempt?
>>>> 
>>>> --bgz
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Sep 2017, at 17:49, Mark Mandel <thnidu at GMAIL.COM <mailto:thnidu at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>> 
>> She's not dispassionately writing a paper. She is overwhelmed by emotion,
>> and maybe "emotional" is all the description she could manage at the time.
>> Ask her later and you might get a very different and more descriptive and
>> conventional answer.
>> 
>> And man, that performance is stunning! If you didn't listen to it, play the
>> video from the beginning, or from 1:15 when she comes on stage before the
>> judges, or from 2:00 when she starts singing.
>> 
>> Mark
>> Music is my drug of choice
>> 
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