[Ads-l] Fixing "ng" and "nk" endings

Mark Mandel mark.a.mandel at GMAIL.COM
Wed Jan 23 22:52:32 EST 2019


Dear Tom,

I don't think you know the difference between a phone and a phoneme.

Mark Mandel


On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 5:03 PM Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I've known since 1st grade 65 years ago that "ink" (~eenk) and "inn" (~in)
> have different vowels.  The spoken words at talking dictionaries verify
> this.  Yet the notation in dictionaries  is still wrong, and says the
> vowels are  both short.  Even when the attached spoken word is spoken
> differently.  Hear it at thefreeditionary.com.
>
> Tom Zurinskas,
> Originally SWConn 20 yrs,  college Tenn 3,  work NJ  33,  now FL 14.
> truespel phonetics free converter and  tutorials - http://truespel.com
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:59 AM
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> Subject: Re: Fixing "ng" and "nk" endings
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> > On Jan 21, 2019, at 8:21 PM, Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >
> > We've discussed this before.  Both forms exist in spoken American
> English.
> > In my Inland Northern speech, the vowel is short.
> >
> > Herb
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> Ditto in my New York speech. As Herb says, we’ve discussed this in the
> past, and most of us agree that the vowel in question being given as [I] is
> not an “error”, although I’ll take it on credit that the [i] pronunciation
> is also possible for some.
>
> LH
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> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 6:59 PM Tom Zurinskas <truespel at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> There is a common dictionary error showing a short vowel prior to "ng"
> and
> >> "nk" word endings when they actually are pronounce "long"
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0hyN-0Z5ic    The free converter at
> >> truespel.com fixes this.
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> >>
> >> Tom Zurinskas,
> >> Originally SWConn 20 yrs,  college Tenn 3,  work NJ  33,  now FL 16
> >> truespel phonetics free converter and  tutorials - http://truespel.com
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