[Ads-l] Have others noticed...

Barretts Mail mail.barretts at GMAIL.COM
Fri Dec 11 21:15:17 EST 2020


This strikes me as odd, but there are certainly a lot of news hits in English-speaking regions. Here are five hits from legal institutions. The first two seem to be just editing errors, but the others not necessarily so. 

1. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndok/pr/tulsa-man-charged-murder-occurring-creek-nation-land <https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndok/pr/tulsa-man-charged-murder-occurring-creek-nation-land>
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Tulsa Man charged for Murder Occurring on Creek Nation Land

A Tulsa man has been charged with murder in the first degree in Indian Country after he allegedly shot and killed a woman in Philpott Park on July 10, 2020.
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2. https://www.connecticut-bailbonds.com/bail-for-murder/ <https://www.connecticut-bailbonds.com/bail-for-murder/>

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What happens when someone is arrested on murder charges?

When one is arrested or charged for murder in Connecticut, they are taken to their local police department where they are booked and processed.
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This looks like for is following “arrested.”

3. https://www.barhomalaw.com/blog/california-court-reverses-murder-conviction-based-on-lower-courts-improper-evidentiary-ruling/ <https://www.barhomalaw.com/blog/california-court-reverses-murder-conviction-based-on-lower-courts-improper-evidentiary-ruling/>

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In this case, the defendant was charged for murder related to the shooting death of another man.
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4. https://www.stuartmillersolicitors.co.uk/service/murder/ <https://www.stuartmillersolicitors.co.uk/service/murder/>

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Have you been arrested or charged for murder? 

If you or somebody close to you has been arrested or charged in connection to charges of Murder, it will make you feel anxious and nervous about what’s going happen.
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5. https://valientelaw.com/what-happens-when-the-victim-does-not-press-charges/ <https://valientelaw.com/what-happens-when-the-victim-does-not-press-charges/>

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It would be weird if nobody was ever charged for murder because there was no victim around to complain, so the government seeks justice without the victim’s permission.
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Benjamin Barrett (he/his/him)
Formerly of Seattle, WA

> On 9 Dec 2020, at 14:11, Dennis During <dcduring at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Searching for "charge|charges|charging|charged for
> murdering|robbing|stealing|assualting|abusing|haarboring|endangering|hijacking"
> generates plenty of hits from newspapers. That construction is not
> obsolete, archaic, or dated. It is easy to imagine someone saying "for" but
> then not finding the proper verb -ing-form and inserting a noun.
> 
> But, in addition, there are plenty of instances in print newspapers of
> "[charge] for assault|murder|endangerment|theft" and even
> "drugs|weapons|armed robbery|robbery|mutilation".
> 
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 3:48 PM Baker, John <JBAKER at stradley.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don’t think I’ve seen “charged for” (a crime).  If it is in use, it has
>> not penetrated legal usage.
>> 
>> 
>> John Baker
>> 
>> 
>> From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> On Behalf Of
>> Dennis During
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:35 PM
>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Have others noticed...
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>> 
>> I think both are acceptable. At Wiktionary we label definitions (more
>> rarely constructions) "obsolete", when most speakers no longer recognize
>> the definition, "archaic" when a definition is widely understood, but
>> rarely used in contemporary speech and writing, and "dated" when the
>> definition is understood, but the users are generally of the older portion
>> of the population. "Charged with" does seem to me to even be "dated" yet,
>> but I might have missed that. My inner grammar nazi doesn't like "charged
>> for".
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 3:15 AM Wilson Gray <hwgray at gmail.com<mailto:
>> hwgray at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> the replacement of "charged _with_ (a crime)" by "charged _for_ (a
>> crime)"?
>>> Or has language-change rendered yet another aspect of my internal grammar
>>> obsolete?
>>> 
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