[Ads-l] Quote: The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it

ADSGarson O'Toole adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM
Fri Jul 16 15:14:08 EDT 2021


Stanton McCandlish wrote:
> When I worked at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (which Gilmore
> co-founded) for about a decade, he never denied being the quip's originator
> during my tenure, and EFF repeated it frequently.  And yes Gilmore runs
> toad.com.

Thanks for sharing your first-hand knowledge, Stanton.
Garson

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> On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 11:03 AM ADSGarson O'Toole <
> adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > After I tweeted about the quotation attributed to John Gilmore. There
> > was a response by Howard Rheingold who stated that Gilmore "later
> > denied being the source". Here is the twitter thread.
> >
> > Tweet from: Quote Investigator @QuoteResearch
> > Timestamp: 5:20 PM · Jul 12, 2021
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it
> > Howard Rheingold? John Gilmore? Michael Sattler? Philip Elmer-DeWitt?
> > Anonymous?
> > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/07/12/censor/
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > Tweet from: (((Howard Rheingold))) @hrheingold
> > Timestamp: 3:47 PM · Jul 15, 2021
> > https://twitter.com/hrheingold/status/1415759962236542979
> > Replying to @QuoteResearch
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > I quoted Gilmore, but he later denied being the source.
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > Tweet from: Quote Investigator @QuoteResearch
> > Timestamp: 5:04 PM · Jul 15, 2021
> > Replying to @hrheingold
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > Howard Rheingold, Thanks for your comment
> > I think John Gilmore controls toad.com and the quote is now listed
> > under "Things I've Said (That People Sometimes Remember)"
> > http://toad.com/gnu/
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > Tweet from: (((Howard Rheingold))) @hrheingold
> > Timestamp: 5:15 PM · Jul 15, 2021
> > Replying to @QuoteResearch
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > Yes, that's his domain.
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > Tweet from: Quote Investigator® @QuoteResearch
> > Timestamp: 5:05 PM · Jul 15, 2021
> > Replying to @hrheingold
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > Howard Rheingold, Do you have a citation for John Gilmore disclaiming
> > the quotation?
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> > Tweet from: (((Howard Rheingold))) @hrheingold
> > Timestamp: 5:14 PM · Jul 15, 2021
> > Replying to @QuoteResearch
> > [Begin excerpt]
> > No
> > [End excerpt]
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 8:10 PM ADSGarson O'Toole
> > <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I received a request to explore the saying in the subject line.
> > > Wikiquote points to a "Time" magazine article dated December 6, 1993
> > > which credited techno-activist John Gilmore. The Yale Book of
> > > Quotations lists an InformationWeek citation dated  November 29, 1993
> > > which also credited Gilmore.
> > >
> > > Now there is a Quote Investigator article:
> > > https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/07/12/censor/
> > >
> > > The earliest evidence I found appeared in a book titled "The Virtual
> > > Community" by cultural critic Howard Rheingold with a first printing
> > > dated September 1993. Rheingold also credited Gilmore.
> > >
> > > Garson
> >
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