[Ads-l] Pied-pipe a preposition, but don't pied-pipe a particle (i.e. "up with which I will not put")

Shapiro, Fred fred.shapiro at YALE.EDU
Sun Jun 27 17:41:04 EDT 2021

Yes, Neal, much as I would love to be the author of the magnificent Quote Investigator website -- which I consider to be the single greatest website of any kind on the World Wide Web -- that honor belongs to Garson O'Toole.  My forthcoming book, The New Yale Book of Quotations, benefits greatly from discoveries made by Garson, and he appears as the foremost thankee in the front matter as well as being credited in many of the entries.

Fred Shapiro

From: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of Ben Zimmer <bgzimmer at GMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pied-pipe a preposition, but don't pied-pipe a particle (i.e. "up with which I will not put")

You may want to correct the record, Neal -- Quote Investigator is the site
of Garson O'Toole, not Fred Shapiro.


On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 3:19 PM Neal Whitman <nwhitman at ameritech.net> wrote:

> In this piece for Grammar Girl, I cover the "up with which I will not
> put" joke, with nods to Fred Shapiro and John Robert Ross:
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickanddirtytips.com%2Feducation%2Fgrammar%2Fup-with-which-i-will-not-put&data=04%7C01%7Cfred.shapiro%40yale.edu%7C2cbd6d3a0bd24f6ee5af08d939a1856a%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637604188158450237%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ceOwpWz%2Fp5w%2Frz2KBGhUnN5IUmKuNtPJFETgm6N7anI%3D&reserved=0
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fquoteinvestigator.com%2F2012%2F07%2F04%2Fchurchill-preposition%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cfred.shapiro%40yale.edu%7C2cbd6d3a0bd24f6ee5af08d939a1856a%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637604188158450237%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=v4GxaL1AbkUIkTwqmIU9m1RMEdjbjL0wUJHyIWGvAN0%3D&reserved=0
> The quick, dirty, and alliterative rule that did NOT make it into the
> final script: Pied-pipe a preposition, but don't pied-pipe a particle!

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