GEM with all main and dependent tiers + Bangla transcripts

Wed Mar 1 19:28:48 UTC 2023

Ran,
   The current macOS operating system provides a Bangla keyboard with these characters, but when we type them in both in CLAN and MS-Word, they do not combine.  It appears that Apple did not provide methods for this.  Perhaps some special additional software is needed to make them combine or perhaps there are additional keystrokes used for this.  These are mostly things that you would know as a Bangla user.  If you do a web search for “entering Bangla combining characters” most of the discussion is about special systems that one must use to support this.  Hopefully, you can explore this.

—Brian MacWhinney

> On Mar 1, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Wei, Ran <ran_wei at g.harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much Leonid! 
> 
> The German case was an analogy and obviously not a very helpful one :) I don't speak Bangla, so I asked my RAs to describe the issue in more detail:
> 
> In Bangla, certain combinations of letters combine to form consonant clusters. For anyone who speaks German, think of the ß. It is different from ss, but the meaning gets across. Just be prepared for a stink eye from any Germans. Similarly in Bangla the meaning gets across but the same ß breaks up into s+s.Below is a list of some of the most common consonant clusters in Bengali. Clusters of two consonants are the most common, but it is possible to also have three. They are presented in Bengali alphabetical order. In clan all of the combined clusters break up into their individual components.ক + ট = ক্ট
> ক + ত = ক্ত
> ক + র = ক্র
> ক + ল = ক্ল
> ক + ষ = ক্ষ
> ক + স = ক্স
> গ + ধ = গ্ধ
> গ + ন = গ্ন
> গ + ল = গ্ল
> ঙ + ক = ঙ্ক
> ঙ + গ = ঙ্গ
> চ + চ = চ্চ
> চ + ছ = চ্ছ
> জ + জ = জ্জ
> জ + ঞ = জ্ঞ
> জ + ব = জ্ব
> ঞ + চ = ঞ্চ
> ঞ + ছ = ঞ্ছ
> ঞ + জ = ঞ্জ
> ঞ + ঝ = ঞ্ঝ
> ট + ট = ট্ট
> ড + ড = ড্ড
> ণ + ট = ণ্ট
> ণ + ঠ = ণ্ঠ
> ণ + ড = ণ্ড
> ত + ত = ত্ত
> ত + থ = ত্থ
> ত + ব = ত্ব
> ত + ম = ত্ম
> ত + র = ত্র
> দ + দ = দ্দ
> দ + ধ = দ্ধ
> দ + ব = দ্ব
> দ + ম = দ্ম
> ধ + ব = ধ্ব
> ন + ত = ন্ত
> ন + থ = ন্থ
> ন + দ = ন্দ
> ন + ধ = ন্ধ
> ন + ন = ন্ন
> ন + ম = ন্ম
> প + ত = প্ত
> প + প = প্প
> প + ল = প্ল
> ফ + ল = ফ্ল
> ব + জ = ব্জ
> ব + দ = ব্দ
> ব + ধ = ব্ধ
> ব + ব = ব্ব
> ব + ল = ব্ল
> ভ + র = ভ্র
> ম + প = ম্প
> ম + ব = ম্ব
> ম + ভ = ম্ভ
> ম + ম = ম্ম
> ম + ল = ম্ল
> ল + ক = ল্ক
> ল + প = ল্প
> ল + ল = ল্ল
> শ + চ = শ্চ
> শ + ব = শ্ব
> ষ + ক = ষ্ক
> ষ + ট = ষ্ট
> ষ + ঠ = ষ্ঠ
> ষ + প = ষ্প
> স + ক = স্ক
> স + ট = স্ট
> স + ত = স্ত
> স + থ = স্থ
> স + ন = স্ন
> স + প = স্প
> স + ব = স্ব
> হ + ণ = হ্ণ
> হ + ম = হ্ম
> জ + জ + ব = জ্জ্ব
> ত + ত + ব = ত্ত্ব
> ন + ত + ব = ন্ত্ব
> স + থ + য = স্থ্য
> ন + ত + র = ন্ত্র
> ন + দ + র = ন্দ্র
> স + ত + র = স্ত্র
> 
> Interestingly, clan always breaks up these consonant clusters into their correct individual components, so it seems like there’s an understanding in the software that these clusters exist and what they’re made up of. It just fails to understand that it should keep the consonant together instead of breaking it apart. 
> 
> 3 words as examples that I have probably encountered in every Bangla transcription so far and these came up multiple times in each. The 3 words with their English meaning are as follows:<Screen Shot 2023-02-28 at 2.28.00 AM.png>
> 
> 
> Thank you so much for looking into this, and let me know if you need further information!
> 
> Thanks,
> Ran
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 9:32 AM Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> Hi Ran,
> 
> 1. To get all speakers and all dependent tiers from gem use this command:
> 
> gem +stoy +g +d1 +f +t%: @ 
> 
> 
> 2. For testing I have selected German ABC-QWERTZ keyboard. When entering ß character in CLAN I do not see it splitting. All I get is letter ß. I am using Mac and the latest version of CLAN. I would say that CLAN does not change character codes that it gets from the system. The splitting must occur in the OS system. What computer and OS are you using?
> 
> 
> Leonid.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 08:41, ran... at g.harvard.edu <ran_wei at g.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Happy Monday! Two questions:
>> 
>> 1. I'm using GEM to segment my transcripts (with different episodes marked using @Bg: and @Eg:). I've been typing in the main and dependent tiers to keep in the GEM-generated transcripts: gem +stoy +g +d1 +f +t*MOT +t%act: @ 
>> It works, but I am working with transcripts with many dependent tiers and I worry I might miss a few. I wonder if there's a way to include all main tiers and dependent tiers, basically keeping the transcript intact and only segment it into different GEM episodes.
>> 
>> 2. My research assistants have been transcribing Bangla in CLAN and they realize the letters get spit up as they type. Similar to when German β gets turned into ss, you can still understand the word meaning but the spelling seems off. We tried typing up the words in a word doc and copy and paste them into CLAN, but the letters still get automatically split. Is there a way we could fix this? It's ok if not - this issue does not affect VOCD anyways, so we can work with what we have. 
>> 
>> Thanks and have a great week,
>> Ran
>> 
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