Fw: Re: Voiceless lateral fricative

[Dave Robertson]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross Clark (ARTS DALSL)" <r.clark at auckland.ac.nz>
To: "David Robertson" <ddr11 at columbia.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Voiceless lateral fricative


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>> [mailto:CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of David
>> Robertson
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 4:11 p.m.
>> To: CHINOOK at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
>> Subject: Re: Voiceless lateral fricative
>>
>>
>> Hi, Leanne,
>>
>> The symbol for the voiceless lateral fricative (nowadays most
>> often called "barred L" by linguists in N. America) was
>> invented by Le Jeune two or three years after he debuted his
>> Chinuk Wawa shorthand.  Let me write it as capital L here.
>> He used it pretty consistently, for example in the word
>> styuiL 'pray, prayer' and piLti 'thick'.  Interestingly he
>> did not abandon his already-established favored spellings
>> with tl, like patl 'full' and tlus 'good'.
>>
>> The list of sounds you reproduce from his 1924 book, like
>> "wet l" and so on, is more or less incomprehensible to a
>> present-day linguist.  Zvjezdana Vrzic in a 1998 Salish
>> conference paper discusses these, concluding that some seem
>> to correspond to "barred L" while others are indeterminable.
>>
>> --Dave R
>>
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>
> I agree that most of these are hard to interpret, but "wet l" must surely
> be a palatal lateral. The spellings <ll> and <lh> represent such a sound
> in, respectively, Spanish and Portuguese, and "l mouillé" is a traditional
> term for such a sound in French.
>
> Ross Clark
>
>
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