Source of tanlki "yesterday"

[jlarmagost]

James,

In Boas' "Kathlamet Texts" (1901) a word glossed 'yesterday' occurs a couple
of times at least which Boas spells <taqEL> with a stress mark over the <E>.
[His <E> is schwa and his <L> is tl (not glottalized/ejective).] I've made a
very quick search through Boas' (Lower) "Chinook Texts" (1894) and didn't
find 'yesterday'--but I may have missed it if it's there.

I notice that in Holton's online vocabulary
http://www.adisoft-inc.com/chinookbook/ 'yesterday' is <tatlki [san]>, with
first-syllable stress. In both K and LC there's a "relation-to-time" suffix
<-iX> or often just <-i> in LC. If that ever occurred on <taqEL> I think
it's possible the word may have been heard by English ears as something like
<taqLi(X)>, with the <E> missing. Even if it was there and stressed,
however, I don't see it as an impossible source for Horton's spelling,
especially if the LC was commonly <taq(E)Li> without the <X>.

Those of you who know CJ and especially the various spellings found in
Gibbs, etc. are probably in a position to judge whether the above is close
enough to have been the source. I don't know any of that, am just starting
serious work on Lower Chinook, so submit this suggestion with considerable
hesitation and even more humility. : )

Jim
jlarmagost at verizon.net

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  Subject: Re: Source of tanlki "yesterday"


  Hi Rein,

  on page 8 of "Chinook and Shorthand Rudiments", the 3 "blurred" letters
after tanke are the word "son", which comes from English "sun" and means
"sun" or "day"; in this context it means obviously "day", thus tanke-son =
yester-day.

  Francisc


  Rein Stamm <stamm at TELUS.NET> wrote:
    James,

    I cannot answer your question directly but I can tell you this:
    Something similar appears in "Chinook and Shorthand Rudiments, with
which the
    Chinook Jargon and wawa shorthand......." [I'll spare you the rest]

    It is "By the Editor of the "Kamloops Wawa"" and published in Kamloops,
B.C.,
    1898.

    I have a photocopy, on page 8 "tanke-[illegible]" appears with the
meaning as
    yesterday. I cannot make out the 3 (?) blurred letters that follow. The
    shorthand symbol is also given. The words listed are seperated into a
French
    and English section "tanke-[illegible]" appears in what I presume to be
    the "Indian" section.

    Regrds,
    Rein



    Quoting James Crippen :

    > Does anyone know the etymology of tanlki "yesterday"? I have it listed
    > in Sam Johnson's 1978 dissertation on Chinook Jargon, but no info on
    > the source language. It doesn't look like English or French.
    >
    > Also is the first or last syllable stressed? I am curious because I am
    > looking at a possible loan of this from CJ into Tlingit, but stress is
    > probably the deciding factor.
    >
    > Mási,
    > James
    >
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