[Edling] Edling Digest, Vol 38, Issue 3

Martin P.J. Edwardes via Edling edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu
Fri Apr 9 09:26:49 UTC 2021


Bernard,

A good editor-mentor: absolutely; and maybe not just for 
English-as-other-language scientists. 
English-Academic-Register-as-other-language also seems to be a growing 
issue. I have noticed an increase in papers which have something really 
important to say, but don't say it clearly. So frustrating for the 
reader; and, ultimately, problematic for the writer(s) in terms of 
citation.

Martin P.J. Edwardes

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English as the language of science.  I think the main lesson is the 
value of a good editor-mentor,
Bernard


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     1. Re:  English is the language of science ? but precision is
        tough as a non-native speaker (Margaret van Naerssen)
     2. Re:  English is the language of science ? but precision is
        tough as a non-native speaker (Francis M. Hult)


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  Message: 1
  Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:29:41 -0400
  From: Margaret van Naerssen <margaret.vannaerssen at gmail.com 
<mailto:margaret.vannaerssen at gmail.com> >
  To: Educational Linguistics List <edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu 
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  Cc: "Francis M. Hult" <fmhult at umbc.edu <mailto:fmhult at umbc.edu> >
  Subject: Re: [Edling]  English is the language of science ? but
          precision is tough as a non-native speaker
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  The importance of scientists being able to express themselves
  effectively in English
  is not a new concern. The field of English for Specific Purposes began 
with
  the need
  for scientists and science students who needed to access scientific 
journal
  written in
  and for them to be able to contribute to such journals--and eventually
  attend conferences
  in their fields.  I have worked in this area for many years and 
published
  articles in this area.

  Unfortunately, I wasn't able to access the Nature article that was 
posted
  on Edling as the journal
  required cookies for access--and I was not willing to open up my 
computer
  to having cookies attached
  just to see the article--Especially since the article sounds like it 
is
  introducing new ideas about
  the long-known importance of English in science and technology. But 
perhaps
  I'm wrong--I would
  be interested in the article.

  A number of applied linguists have written in this area. Here is
  information about one online Overview.
  One of the Professional Communities in  TESOL International is the 
English
  for Specific Purposes
  Interest Section. Its home page is under *MyTESOL*.
 
https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb 
<https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb>
  Under the Statement of Purpose is a link to a Power Point developed by 
some
  ESP IS members.:
  *English for Specific Purposes: **An Overview **for Practitioners and 
Clie*
  nts
  *(*Kevin Knight, Anne E. Lomperis, Margaret van Naerssen, and Kay
  Westerfield).
  Margaret van Naerssen

  Ooops I have just received a message from TESOL that TESOL is 
upgrading it
  technology
  from 12 - 14 April. During that period MyTESOL will not be accessible. 
But
  i hope you will check
  out the link and view the Power Point.


  On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 6:37 AM Francis M. Hult via Edling <
  edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu <mailto:edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu> > 
wrote:

  > Nature
  >
  > English is the language of science ? but precision is tough as a
  > non-native speaker
  >
  > English is the international language of science, for better or for 
worse,
  > but most of the world?s scientists speak it as a second language. We
  > shoulder an extra career challenge: not only must we gain command of 
our
  > science, but we must also be able to write to professional standards 
in a
  > foreign language to communicate that science.
  >
  > Full story:
  > https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y 
<https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y>
  >
  >
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  Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:44:19 -0400
  From: "Francis M. Hult" <fmhult at umbc.edu <mailto:fmhult at umbc.edu> >
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  Subject: Re: [Edling]  English is the language of science ? but
          precision is tough as a non-native speaker
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   I definitely didn't share it because I agree with the premise.  ?  I 
did
  find it interesting to see the language ideologies being reproduced by 
a
  scientist under the prestigious banner of *Nature*.  It's a glimpse of 
the
  emic perspectives on language by those working in STEM.  Suresh 
Canagarajah
  and colleagues have written some great pieces on this recently:

  hhttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/modl.12464 
<http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/modl.12464>

  https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13670050.2020.1768210 
<https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13670050.2020.1768210>

  It makes me think about how as a field we might both draw attention to 
the
  sociopolitical implications of equity in knowledge production and 
knowledge
  access that follow from the dominance of English in STEM while also
  decentering the dominant language ideologies of our own field (applied
  linguistics or ESP/EMI specifically) in ways that respect the agency 
and
  autonomy of STEM scholars.

  Best,
  Francis

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  Department of Education
  University of Maryland, Baltimore County (UMBC)

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  On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 1:29 PM Margaret van Naerssen <
  margaret.vannaerssen at gmail.com <mailto:margaret.vannaerssen at gmail.com> 
> wrote:

  > The importance of scientists being able to express themselves
  > effectively in English
  > is not a new concern. The field of English for Specific Purposes 
began
  > with the need
  > for scientists and science students who needed to access scientific
  > journal written in
  > and for them to be able to contribute to such journals--and 
eventually
  > attend conferences
  > in their fields.  I have worked in this area for many years and 
published
  > articles in this area.
  >
  > Unfortunately, I wasn't able to access the Nature article that was 
posted
  > on Edling as the journal
  > required cookies for access--and I was not willing to open up my 
computer
  > to having cookies attached
  > just to see the article--Especially since the article sounds like it 
is
  > introducing new ideas about
  > the long-known importance of English in science and technology. But
  > perhaps I'm wrong--I would
  > be interested in the article.
  >
  > A number of applied linguists have written in this area. Here is
  > information about one online Overview.
  > One of the Professional Communities in  TESOL International is the 
English
  > for Specific Purposes
  > Interest Section. Its home page is under *MyTESOL*.
  >
  > 
https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb 
<https://my.tesol.org/communities/community-home?CommunityKey=4be1f546-1b6a-46f0-8070-74576e6704cb>
  > Under the Statement of Purpose is a link to a Power Point developed 
by
  > some ESP IS members.:
  > *English for Specific Purposes: **An Overview **for Practitioners 
and
  > Clie*nts
  > *(*Kevin Knight, Anne E. Lomperis, Margaret van Naerssen, and Kay
  > Westerfield).
  > Margaret van Naerssen
  >
  > Ooops I have just received a message from TESOL that TESOL is 
upgrading
  > it technology
  > from 12 - 14 April. During that period MyTESOL will not be 
accessible. But
  > i hope you will check
  > out the link and view the Power Point.
  >
  >
  > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 6:37 AM Francis M. Hult via Edling <
  > edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu <mailto:edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu> > 
wrote:
  >
  >> Nature
  >>
  >> English is the language of science ? but precision is tough as a
  >> non-native speaker
  >>
  >> English is the international language of science, for better or for
  >> worse, but most of the world?s scientists speak it as a second 
language. We
  >> shoulder an extra career challenge: not only must we gain command 
of our
  >> science, but we must also be able to write to professional 
standards in a
  >> foreign language to communicate that science.
  >>
  >> Full story:
  >> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y 
<https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00899-y>
  >>
  >>
  >> _______________________________________________
  >> Edling mailing list
  >> Edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu <mailto:Edling at lists.mail.umbc.edu>
  >> https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/listinfo/edling 
<https://lists.mail.umbc.edu/mailman/listinfo/edling>
  >>
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