FOR TOM & CHRIS---Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
alex gross
language at sprynet.com
Mon Feb 28 06:59:02 UTC 2011
No, Tom & Chris, you've got it wrong. I did not post my test for want of
responses (of which there have been a few private & encouraging ones) but in
response to the following message. It suggested that I was unable to post
here, which is clearly untrue. Anyway, it has to be mistaken, since the
message it mentions was posted over a month ago, and I expect it is either a
system glitch or a poorly executed prank.
All the best!
alex
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> To: "Keith Johnson" <keithjohnson at berkeley.edu>,
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> Of course the main problem concerning Rosetta Stone has not
> been remotely addressed here, nor did I expect it to be.
>
> Had linguists continued on the intersecting paths of Whorf,
> Sapir, Bloomfield, and Hayakawa during the Sixties, the
> entire Rosetta Stone encroachment would have never come
> about. Descriptivist linguists showed sensitivity to Native
> American languages and regarded them as views of reality
> in many ways as valid as our own, creating a close unity
> between Native American speakers and the scholars who
> studied them. Our profession would then have been in a
> position to explain to them why Rosetta Stone could not truly
> help them. And the aim of the Semanticist movement was
> to create an ongoing and far-reaching critique of American
> trends in politics, advertising, and religion, which could
> have led to a heightened consciousness of the many ways
> language can lead us astray and why simplistic tools like
> Rosetta Stone are of limited use.
>
> But instead the profession has squandered the enormous
> prestige enjoyed by linguistics 50 years ago in pompous
> and demonstrably false proclamations about universal grammar,
> deep structure, and hard wiring, not to mention endless
> feuding between angry factions over the details of this
> monumental failure.
>
> As I pointed out in an earlier post:
>
> So-called "mainstream linguistics" ends up being on
> about the same level of credibility as all those TV ads
> for "Rosetta Stone." Just as they claim you can "learn a
> language," without bothering to mention whether by
> "learn" they mean read, speak, understand what is
> spoken back to you, translate in either direction,
> or simply pick up the general sense, so "mainstream
> linguistics" stakes out vast fields of competence but
> never comes remotely near actually achieving them.
>
> Yes, Rosetta Stone has engaged in outrageously false
> claims on behalf of its so-called method for a number
> of years now. But many mainstream linguists have
> engaged in equally noxious rhetoric about the alleged
> triumph of their supposed breakthroughs or about the
> imminent advent of MT and automatic language systems
> they have championed. And they have continued to do
> so despite ample evidence to the contrary over at least
> the last four decades. And yet other linguists , who have
> been perfectly aware that these claims were overstated,
> have chosen to remain silent.
>
> It is not the slightest bit surprising that the guiding
> force of so-called mainstream linguistics stems from
> the same era that also handed us the notion that man can
> "conquer" the planet, that highways can "conquer" the
> wilderness, that cities can "conquer" landscape, that
> modernity can "conquer" traditional ways. Indeed,
> the main thrust of language study today is still centered
> on the eminently falsifiable doctrine that language
> itself can be conquered and open the way to some
> ill-defined realm where deep knowledge of "grammar"
> can give rise to deep knowledge of reality.
>
> All the best to every one!
>
> alex
>
> **************************************************************
> The principal purpose of language is not communication but to persuade
> ourselves
> that we know what we are talking about, when quite often we do not.
>
> **************************************************************
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Johnson" <keithjohnson at berkeley.edu>
> To: <funknet at mailman.rice.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:50 AM
> Subject: [FUNKNET] Rosetta Stone acquires the rights to endangered
> languages
>
>
>> Hi Funksters,
>>
>> My subject heading is intentionally provocative, but this article raises
>> a couple of
>> issues. Is it a good thing for Rosetta Stone to have an endangered
>> languages
>> unit?
>>
>> Keith Johnson
>>
>> http://www.adn.com/2011/01/19/1657429/alaska-natives-team-up-with-rosetta.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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