FOR TOM & CHRIS---Fw: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

Mon Feb 28 15:11:19 UTC 2011

Since delivery failed for three apparently unrelated addresses, it doesn't
really indicate much of anything about Funknet and your ability to post to
it. There was probably trouble either in your outgoing mail server or in a
hub that was common to all three addresses. It's been a while since I've
had to debug email, but I'm betting the servers at calpoly.edu were unable
to forward your message.

-- Mark

Mark P. Line
Bartlesville, OK

alex gross wrote:
> No, Tom & Chris, you've got it wrong.  I did not post my test for want of
> responses (of which there have been a few private & encouraging ones) but
> in
> response to the following message.  It suggested that I was unable to post
> here, which is clearly untrue.  Anyway, it has to be mistaken, since the
> message it mentions was posted over a month ago, and I expect it is either
> a
> system glitch or a poorly executed prank.
>
> All the best!
>
> alex
>
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>> From: "alex gross" <language at sprynet.com>
>> To: "Keith Johnson" <keithjohnson at berkeley.edu>,
>>  <funknet at mailman.rice.edu>
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>> Subject: Re: [FUNKNET] Rosetta Stone acquires the rights to endangered
>> languages
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>> Of course the main problem concerning Rosetta Stone has not
>> been remotely addressed here, nor did I expect it to be.
>>
>> Had linguists continued on the intersecting paths of Whorf,
>> Sapir, Bloomfield, and Hayakawa during the Sixties, the
>> entire Rosetta Stone encroachment would have never come
>> about.  Descriptivist linguists showed sensitivity to Native
>> American languages and regarded them as views of reality
>> in many ways as valid as our own, creating a close unity
>> between Native American speakers and the scholars who
>> studied them. Our profession would then have been in a
>> position to explain to them why Rosetta Stone could not truly
>> help them.  And the aim of the Semanticist movement was
>> to create an ongoing and far-reaching critique of American
>> trends in politics, advertising, and religion, which could
>> have led to a heightened consciousness of the many ways
>> language can lead us astray and why simplistic tools like
>> Rosetta Stone are of limited use.
>>
>> But instead the profession has squandered the enormous
>> prestige enjoyed by linguistics 50 years ago in pompous
>> and demonstrably false proclamations about universal grammar,
>> deep structure, and hard wiring, not to mention endless
>> feuding between angry factions over the details of this
>> monumental failure.
>>
>> As I pointed out in an earlier post:
>>
>> So-called "mainstream linguistics" ends up being on
>> about the same level of credibility as all those TV ads
>> for "Rosetta Stone." Just as they claim you can "learn a
>> language," without bothering to mention whether by
>> "learn" they mean read, speak, understand what is
>> spoken back to you, translate in either direction,
>> or simply pick up the general sense, so "mainstream
>> linguistics" stakes out vast fields of competence but
>> never comes remotely near actually achieving them.
>>
>> Yes, Rosetta Stone has engaged in outrageously false
>> claims on behalf of its so-called method for a number
>> of years now.  But many mainstream linguists have
>> engaged in equally noxious rhetoric about the alleged
>> triumph of their supposed breakthroughs or about the
>> imminent advent of MT and automatic language systems
>> they have championed.  And they have continued to do
>> so despite  ample evidence to the contrary over at least
>> the last four decades.  And yet other linguists , who have
>> been perfectly aware that these claims were overstated,
>> have chosen to remain silent.
>>
>> It is not the slightest bit surprising that the guiding
>> force of so-called mainstream linguistics stems from
>> the same era that also handed us the notion that man can
>> "conquer" the planet, that highways can "conquer" the
>> wilderness, that cities can "conquer" landscape, that
>> modernity can "conquer" traditional ways.  Indeed,
>> the main thrust of language study today is still centered
>> on the eminently falsifiable doctrine that language
>> itself can be conquered and open the way to some
>> ill-defined realm where deep knowledge of "grammar"
>> can give rise to deep knowledge of  reality.
>>
>> All the best to every one!
>>
>> alex
>>
>> **************************************************************
>> The principal purpose of language is not communication but to persuade
>> ourselves
>> that we know what we are talking about, when quite often we do not.
>>
>> **************************************************************
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Keith Johnson" <keithjohnson at berkeley.edu>
>> To: <funknet at mailman.rice.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:50 AM
>> Subject: [FUNKNET] Rosetta Stone acquires the rights to endangered
>> languages
>>
>>
>>> Hi Funksters,
>>>
>>> My subject heading is intentionally provocative, but this article
>>> raises
>>> a couple of
>>> issues.  Is it a good thing for Rosetta Stone to have an endangered
>>> languages
>>> unit?
>>>
>>> Keith Johnson
>>>
>>> http://www.adn.com/2011/01/19/1657429/alaska-natives-team-up-with-rosetta.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

-- Mark

Mark P. Line
Bartlesville, OK