[gothic-l] Re: gothi minores, Gothograikoi
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sigmund at ALGONET.SE
Fri Dec 29 20:01:26 UTC 2000
For twopence..
I ran "goth*" through my file of ethnotribes and found this. Now,
this is a huge file from a database, run several times by me
through several applications to finally fix a Word file. That
means that it's totally out of context and is stripped of lots of
referrals, indices etc. However, I-ve tried to replace
abbreviations with their meaning when not ambigous (a bit
difficult when i. g. S might mean Sweades, South or something
else..)
Finally it's a database of ethnic groups who have been mentioned
in one or other source throughout times, which includes the
concepts of "people", "tribe", "nation", "state" and migrating
fraction of ethnic groups, as well as "cultures" in the
archeological sense. All these caveats in mind it might still be
giving ideas to starting points for further investigations into
gothic remnants.
At your service,
Seigmundr
Here (use with caution! and, please, beware of bugs!) =>
Borani Slav Pitiunt (modern Picunda or
Pitzunda) E shore Black Sea.
From Lower Do? Riv.region. *{234-51}*
Together with Goths.
Gepidae Germ Vistula-Nogat Delta LAB
Start date to conform to (1-9). End date
acc/to ref 12. Originated from remnants of
Goths who had not migrated SE.
Gepidae Germ Gau lRAB
From Sirmium (and intervening area, RomProv
Pannonia II, FormYug ). *{12-5}* By East Goths.
Pannonia II, FormYug ).} *{12-5}*
To North Dacia in wooded & mountainous
areas, neighbors of W. Goths. (W corner of
Ukraine, betw Uzgorod & Chust.) + Maros,
Tisza & Koerces Riv.s (Alfoeld, H). + Part of
Transilvania, R. *{900-567}* (This is (900-
568) - (12-5).) Acc/to (12-7). Displaced
by Ostrogoths.
Germanics Germ Lower Volga Riv.betw Caucasus & Sea
of Azov, & in Pontic Steppes (N of
Black Sea). LAB
Early part of this period not confirmed by
sources on specific Germanic tribes. Later
part could be Goths and/or Heruli.
Goths Germ Oester- & Vaestergoetland & Island
of Gotland.
End date acc/to (205-6). Not all left to
go to Gothi-Scandza. In ref 1 they are
called Amali while still in Scan .
Goths Germ {Gothi-Scandza (Gothi-Scandza =
Pol . & N D. between Vistula & Oder
Riv.s covering modern cities of
Gdansk, Szeszin, & Grudziadz.)}
*{1-2}*
From Oester- & Vaestergoetland & Island of
Gotland. *{16-1}*. Necessary to move Goths
from (16-1) to (1-2). Partial migration
because (205-6) mentions as Goths as
remaining in Goetland.
Goths Germ Gothi-Scandza (Gothi-Scandza =
Pol . & N D. between Vistula & Oder
Riv.s covering modern cities of
Gdansk, Szeszin, & Grudziadz.)
Called Gutoni in reference.
Goths Germ Middle Ode? Riv.Both sides of middle
Oder R, S. boundary reached in E.
Mark Brandenburg, into the Lausitz
area and Lower Silesia.
From Gothi-Scandza. (Gothi-Scandza = N Pol .
& N D. between Vistula & Oder Riv.s covering
modern cities of Gdansk, Szeszin, &
Grudziadz). *{1-2}*
Goths Germ {Middle Ode? Riv.Both sides of
middle Oder R, S. boundary reached
in E. Mark Brandenburg, into the
Lausitz area and Lower Silesia.}
Goths Germ Marshes nr Azov Sea MAB
From the middle Oder R, both sides of
middle Oder R, S. boundary reached in E.
Mark Brandenburg, into the Lausitz area
and Lower Silesia. + Gothi-Scandza.
Goths Germ {Marshes nr Azov Sea} *{1-9}* LB
For consistency with (1-9) and (110-49).
Goths Germ NW of Black Sea State between
Carpathians, Don R, Vistula R, Sea
of Azov, centered on lower Dnepr R.
From the marshes nr Azov Sea. *{900-488}*
Goths Germ {NW of Black Sea State betweenLB
Carpathians, Don R, Vistula R, Sea
of Azov, centered on lower Dnepr
R.} *{11-55}*
For consistency with (11-55) & (110-49).
Goths Germ Dacia & Illyria AAB
From NW of Black Sea State between
Carpathians, Don R, Vistula R, Sea of
Azov, centered on lower Dnepr R. *{900-
489}*
Goths Germ Thrace AAB
From NW of Black Sea State between
Carpathians, Don R, Vistula R, Sea of
Azov, centered on lower Dnepr R. *{900-
489}*
Musulmani Slav Macedonia & Bosnia FormYug LB
Originated from conversion of Bogumiles to
Islam. Some Turkish admixture. Also
slavicized Vlach-Romani ethnos converted
to Islam. Possibly some Gothic elements as
well. Sources (51-145), (114-4), and (114-
23). End date: still present.
The differentiation of
Goths in W & E branches occurred about 240
AD. The W branch was first called
Terwingians, later Visigoths. The E branch
first Greuthungi, then Ostrogoths.
We call them by their later names as of
240 AD.
Ostrogoths Germ {NW of Black Sea State between
Carpathians, Don R, Vistula R, Sea
of Azov, centered on lower Dnepr
R.} *{900-489}* See reference 1
for exact border between
Terwingians (W. Goths) and
Greuthungi (E. Goths).
For consistency with (900-489) & (234-5).
Fought with Alans. The differentiation of
Goths in W & E branches occurred about 240
AD. The W branch was first called
Terwingians, later Visigoths. The E branch
first Greuthungi, then Ostrogoths.
We call them by their later names as of
240 AD.
Ostrogoths Germ Kingdom of the Bosporus (Cherson,
Panticapaeum). This is not the
Bosporus at Constantinople but
that closing off Sea of Azov.
From NW of Black Sea State between
Carpathians, Don R, Vistula R, Sea of
Azov, centered on lower Dnepr R. See
reference 1 for exact border between
Terwingians (W. Goths) and Greuthungi (E.
Goths). *{1-24}*
Ostrogoths Germ {Kingdom of the Bosporus (Cherson,
Panticapaeum). This is not the
Bosporus at Constantinople but
that closing off Sea of Azov.} +
{NW of Black Sea State between
Carpathians, Don R, Vistula R, Sea
of Azov, centered on lower Dnepr
R. See
reference 1 for exact border For consistency with (1-24) &
(8-4).
between Terwingians (W. Goths) and
Greuthungi (E. Goths).} *{234-54}
+ {1-24}*
Ostrogoths Germ Region around and N of Durostorum
(Silistra, BG), N bank of lower
Danube R.
From the Kingdom of the Bosporus (Cherson,
Panticapaeum). This is not the Bosporus at
Constantinople but that closing off Sea of
Azov. + NW of Black Sea State between
Carpathians, Don R, Vistula R, Sea of
Azov, centered on lower Dnepr
R. See reference 1 for exact border
between Terwingians (W. Goths) and
Greuthungi (E. Goths). *{900-492}*
Ostrogoths Germ Malorosa on Taman peninsula LAB
Start date necessary to connect with (900-
492).
Ostrogoths Germ Crimea LB
Acc/to Much: Deutsche Stammeskunde.
Remnants of Goths, Crimean Goths.
Ostrogoths Germ {Region around and N of DurostorumLB
(Silistra, BG), N bank of lower
Danube R.} *{8-4}*
Ostrogoths Germ Balkans MB
From region around and N of Durostorum
(Silistra, BG), N bank of lower Danube R.
*{8-4}* For consistency with (11-79).
Ostrogoths Germ Pannonia It RomProv Part. migr. to B
From region around and N of Durostorum
(Silistra, BG), N bank of lower Danube R.
*{8-4}* For consistency with (110-67).
Ostrogoths Germ Pannonia Prima RomProv LAB
End date, see (11-81).
Ostrogoths Germ {Balkans} *{900-494}* LB
Acc/to (11-79). End date questionable.
Probably assimilated.
Ostrogoths Germ Gaul AAB
From Pannonia. Attacked with Huns.
Ostrogoths Germ Thracia & Moesia inf RomProv The newly
reorganized (284-305) Diocese
Thracia. See ref 40, fig 22.
From Pannonia Prima RomProv . *(110-67)*
Ostrogoths Germ East Roman Empire advancing along
the Moldava-Vardar corridor,
threatening Salonica & Adrianople.
Crossed RomProv Moesia, Macedonia,
Epirus & Dacia ripensis.
From Pannonia Prima RomProv . *{110-67}* End
date acc/to (1-42).
Ostrogoths Germ It (Modern Lombardy, Venetia,
Tuscany, the so-called Marks,
especially the fortress of Osimo S
of Ancona, Dalmatia. Not in Alps
or Lower Italy.)
From Balkans. End date: death of Odoaker.
20K warriors = 100K people.
Ostrogoths Germ { Ita (Modern Lombardy, Venetia,
Tuscany, the so-called Marks,
especially the fortress of Osimo S
of Ancona, Dalmatia. Not in Alps
or Lower Italy.)} *{1-44}*
At end date they were conquered and many
deported by E. Romans (Byzantines).
Ostrogoths Germ {Swiss part of Raetia (RP)} *{178-QB
11}*
For consistency with (178-11). From I.
(Modern Lombardy, Venetia, Tuscany, the so-
called Marks, especially the fortress of
Osimo S. of Ancona, Dalmatia. Not in Alps
or Lower Italy.) *{1-44}* Ref calls them
Goths, but (11-82) implies they
were Ostrogoths.
Ostrogoths Germ Swiss part of Raetia (RP)LAB
Ostrogoths Germ Pannonia I Ita RomProv later Sirmia &CAB
Slavonia. Betw. Danube, Drave &
Save RR.
From It (Modern Lombardy, Venetia, Tuscany,
the so-called Marks, especially the
fortress of Osimo S. of Ancona, Dalmatia.
Not in Alps or Lower Italy.) *{11-82}*
Note: This is Pannonia II, even though
ref. calls this their ancient homeland.
Our earlier sources (110-67) placed them
in Pannonia I.
Ostrogoths Germ {Pannonia I Ita RomProv later Sirmia &
Slavonia. Betw. Danube, Drave &
Save RR.} *{124-7}*
For consistency with (124-7). End date
problematical. Ref 1 says that Gepids
reconquered area in 536, but some Goths
must have stayed & become assimilated.
Roxolani Iranian Dacia RomProv AAB
From the lower Danub? Riv.corner + Bey'd
area (E of) Banat to Ol? Riv.along Danube.
*{900-244}* In conjuction with Carpi,
Alans, & Goths.
Visigoths Germ AsMin (Lydia, Phrygia) NAB
From Ukrainian ports.
Visigoths Germ SalonikiAAB
From the lower Danube & Olt Limes.
Visigoths Germ Saloniki AAB
From the lower Danube & Olt Limes. *{900-
490}* The differentiation of Goths in W &
E branches occurred about 240 AD. The W
branch was first called Terwingians, later
Visigoths. The E branch first Greuthungi,
then Ostrogoths. We call
them by their later names as of 240 AD.
Visigoths Germ Coasts: R, BGNAB
From Ukrainian ports. The differentiation
of Goths in W & E branches occurred about
240 AD. The W branch was first called
Terwingians, later Visigoths. The E branch
first Greuthungi, then Ostrogoths. We call
them by their later names
as of 240 AD.
Visigoths Germ Bosporus, Cilicia NAB
From Ukrainian ports.
Visigoths Germ Athens NAB
From Ukrainian ports. The differentiation
of Goths in W & E branches occurred about
240 AD. The W branch was first called
Terwingians, later Visigoths. The E branch
first Greuthungi, then Ostrogoths. We call
them by their later names
as of 240 AD.
Visigoths Germ R, BG, Gre , Naissus (Nis, FormYug ) AAB
From the lower Danube & Olt Limes. *{900-
490}* The differentiation of Goths in W &
E branches occurred about 240 AD. The W
branch was first called Terwingians, later
Visigoths. The E branch first Greuthungi,
then Ostrogoths. We call
them by their later names as of 240 AD.
Visigoths Germ Dacia EAB
From the Lower Danube & Olt Limes. *{900-
490}*
Visigoths Germ {Lower Danube & Olt Limes} +LB
{Dacia} *{900-490} + {11-60}*
For consistency with (11-60) & (144-1).
Visigoths Germ Thracia & Moesia inf RomProv The newlyAAB
reorganized (284-305) Diocese
Thracia. See ref 40, fig 22.
From the lower Danube & Olt Limes + Dacia.
*(900-491)* The differentiation of Goths
in W & E branches occurred about 240 AD.
The W branch was first called Terwingians,
later Visigoths. The E branch first
Greuthungi, then Ostrogoths.
We call them by their later names as of
240 AD.
Visigoths Germ RomProv Thraco-Phryg Moesia Inferior
Haemimontus,WAB
Rhodopa, Thracia, Scythia. (See
map p.34, Putzger.)
From the lower Danube & Olt Limes + Dacia.
*{900-491}* Ref (190-3) says 70K West
Goths resettled by Romans. Scythia added
from ref (40-107). End date to conform to
(308-10).
Visigoths Germ E & S. Gre WAB
From RomProv Thraco-Phryg Moesia Inferior, Haemimontus,
Rhodopa, Thracia, Scythia. (See map p.34,
Putzger.) *(144-1)* Also discussed in ref
1.
Visigoths Germ Albania & SE FormYug (Macedonia acc/toWAB
ref 1.)
From E & S. Gre . *(308-10)*
Visigoths Germ It (See map, ref 308.) WAB
End date acc/to (11-71). From Albania & SE
FormYug . (Macedonia acc/to ref 1.) *(308-11)*
Wolfram (ref 1) estimates them at 50K men,
lower than some other estimates.
Visigoths Germ Baetica RomProv , Lusitania &
Carthaginensis RomProv + {Tarraconensis
RomProv } *{232-21}*
From I. (See map, ref 308.) *{11-69}*
Visigoths Germ {Aquitania RomProv Roman Province of
Aquitania (specific areas assigned
to Goths were valley of Garonne R
from Toulouse to Bordeaux as well
as Atlantic coast from Pyrenees
almost to Loire R). They founded
the Tolosanic Empire there with
their
capital at Toulouse. Since 468 From I. (See map, ref 308.)
*{11-69}*
also in the NE of Iberian Start date acc/to (11-71), end date
acc/to
peninsula.} *{1-31}* (1-31).
Visigoths Germ Narbonnensis RomProv Part. migr. to B
From I. (See map, ref 308.) *{11-69}*
Start date acc/to (11-71), end date by
analogy with (1-31).
Visigoths Germ Aquitania RomProv Roman Province of
Aquitania (specific areas assigned
to Goths were valley of Garonne R
from Toulouse to Bordeaux as well
as Atlantic coast from Pyrenees
almost to Loire R). They founded
the Tolosanic Empire there with
their
capital at Toulouse. Since 468 End date to conform to
(17-45). Wolfram
also in the NE of Iberian estimates between 100K-200K people
as the
peninsula. W Gothic component of the Tolasanic
Empire. Reference calls them W. Goths.
Visigoths Germ Tarraconensis RomProv , Baetica RomProv LAB
Lusitania & Carthaginensis RomProv P.
200K out of total Spanish population of 9M.
Visigoths Germ {Narbonnensis RomProv } (See map p.34,LB
Putzger.) *{900-501}*
Start date, for consistency with (900-
501) end date acc/to Putzger map 39-I.
Visigoths Germ Betw Minho & Sil Riv.s & Canatabrian AAB
coast, Cartaginense & Lusitania
RomProv P.
From I. (See map, ref 308.) *{11-69}*
Visigoths Germ Galicia AAB
From Tarraconensis RomProv , Baetica RomProv ,
Lusitania & Carthaginensis RomProv P. *{232-30}*
Visigoths Germ Bretagne AAB
From Aquitania RomProv . (Roman Province of
Aquitania (specific areas assigned to
Goths were valley of Garonn? Riv.from
Toulouse to Bordeaux as well as Atlantic
coast from Pyrenees almost to Loire R).
They founded the Tolosanic Empire there
with their capital at Toulouse. Since 468
also in the NE of Iberian peninsula.) *{1-
31}*
Visigoths Germ {Pyrenees to Loir? Riv.from Atlantic EB
Ocean to Rhon? Riv.& from E of that
? Riv.in the region reaching just to
the Alps, comprising that area
between the Durance and the
Mediterranean Sea.} *{17-45}*
From Aquitania RomProv . (Roman Province of
Aquitania (specific areas assigned to
Goths were valley of Garonn? Riv.from
Toulouse to Bordeaux as well as Atlantic
coast from Pyrenees almost to Loire R).
They founded the Tolosanic Empire there
with their capital at Toulouse. Since 468
also in the NE of Iberian peninsula.) *{1-
31}*
Visigoths Germ Pyrenees to Loir? Riv.from AtlanticLAB
Ocean to Rhon? Riv.& from E of that
? Riv.in the region reaching just to
the Alps, comprising that area
between the Durance and the
Mediterranean Sea.
End date acc/to (1-31).
Visigoths Germ E less GaliciaMB
From the Pyrenees to Loire R, from
Atlantic Ocean to Rhon? Riv.& from E of that
? Riv.in the region reaching just to the Alps,
comprising that area between the Durance
and the Mediterranean Sea. *{17-45}*
Acc/to (11-74), (53-46), (167-13).
Exception of Galicia to conform to (11-
75). Acc/to (11-74), by middle of 6th C
Gothic language died out. 70-80K Visigoths
entered E.
Visigoths Germ {Narbonnensis RomProv } (See map p.34,TB
Putzger.) - {Septimania (See map
I, p.39, Putzger.) (This is a
subset of Narbonnensis.)} *{900-
499} - {900-500}*
By implication acc/to reference sources
for (900-499) and (900-500). To Septimania
(see map I, p. 39, Putzger.) (This is a
subset of Narbonensis.) *{900-500}*
Visigoths Germ Septimania (See map I, p.39,LB
Putzger.) (This is a subset of
Narbonnensis.)
Conquered by Moors. See Ploetz p. 456.
Visigoths Germ Galicia CAB
From Tarraconensis RomProv , Baetica RomProv ,
Lusitania & Carthaginensis RomProv P. *{232-30}*
Conquered kingdom of the Suevi.
Visigoths Germ {Galicia} *{11-75}*LB
Start date acc/to (11-75), end date to
conform to (232-30).
Visigoths Germ Castile IAB
Start date to conform to (232-30). By
Basques or Cantabrians, but speaking a
Romance dialect.
Wielbark Uncert {C Pommerania, Lower & C. VistulaLAB
area. (Probably same region as in
(900-221.)}.
Incl. Rugii, Goths, Gepidae, Veneti &
Slavs.
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