[gothic-l] Re: The Langobards from Scania/Scadanan

[dirk at SMRA.CO.UK]

--- In gothic-l at egroups.com, bertil <mvk575b at t...> wrote:
>>
> It might well be that Paul the Deacon was
> influenced by Jordanes, but so far I have
> not seen any evidence of that. And even
> if he hypothetically was, that does not
> affect the validity of his writing.
>

I just wanted to point to the danger of just accepting a historical
record written some 700 to 800 years after the event as absolute
truth. As I said, the Franks had their history recorded much earlier
than Paulus, but still claimed a place of origin which nobody today
would believe. (i.e. Greece, with Primaos of Troy as first Frankish
king). If the Franks had settled in Italy, they may have chosen the
island of Scadanan or something similar to the Gothic history. I think
 if Paulus was influenced by the Gothic history, this would certainly
qualify his writing. This does naturally not exclude the possibility
that Paulus account is fully reliable, but we have to look at other
sources and evidence as well.

Dirk


>
> But I think it would be valuable if we tried to
> differ between Germans and Germanic peoples.
> Not all Germanic peoples have their origin in
> Germany. Many have, and don't think it would cross
> the mind of any Scandinavian to try to include
> the Suebi or the Alemanni as originating in
> Scandinavia.
>
> Gothically
>
> Bertil

I think nobody would equate Germanic people with modern Germans,
especially not Germans as they call themselves 'Deutsche' not
'Germanen' as you know.

Dirk


> > it is possible that a small Langobardic group maybe a royal clan
came
> > to the main Langobardic settlement area in North Germany from
> > Scandinavia.


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