[gothic-l] Lucky Luke

sig sigmund at ALGONET.SE
Fri Oct 13 21:17:27 UTC 2000


Thank you again,

It's a true privilege being tutored on this high level.

Seigmund

John Frauzel wrote:

[..]

> > > dative absolutes always correspond to genitive absolutes in Greek
> >
> >.. and in the German and other languages I guess. But just _why_ is 'allai
> >managein' and 'allaim' dative if
> >subjects??
> That's the nature of the beast. The absolute construction stands outside of
> the syntax of the main clause to which it is attached and supplies
> background information related to time "while [abs], main clause" (by far
> the most common in Gothic), condition "if [abs], main clause", etc. The
> absolute consists of a subject (noun or pronoun) and a predicate (always a
> participle in Gothic, sometimes a noun or adjective in Latin) that agree in
> case. The case is almost always dative in Gothic. There are also disputed
> genitive, accusative and even nominative absolutes. Greek has Genitive
> absolutes, and Latin has ablative absolutes.
> Other Germanic languages had dative absolutes (English perhaps also
> instrumental). Absolutes survive without case marking in formal English,
> e.g. "The battle fought, the troops went home". There are similar examples
> in most modern European languages, probably all imported from Latin.
> Anyone have an opinion on whether the construction is native to Gothic
> and/or Germanic, or whether it's borrowed from Greek?

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