[gothic-l] Re: (me again!) Crimean Gothic....

[dirk at SMRA.CO.UK]

I agree, I wondered about that too and I think Vasilev has no real
explanation for that.


--- In gothic-l at egroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <czobor at c...> wrote:
> But there are some words between the Germanic words of Busbecq's
list
> that are surely of Gothic (East-Germanic) origin:
>
> fyder "four", Go. fidwor, fidur-; The West- and North Germanic
> languages have lost the -d-, even in their old forms (ON fiorer,
OHG
> fior, OE feower "four")
> mine "moon", Go. mena; The West- and North Germanic languages have
a
> long [a] (which later become a long [o]) instead of the long [e]:
> Germ. Mond, Eng. moon etc. In Gothic, the long [e] became, at a
> certain moment, a long [i] (cf. the confusion between "e" and "ei"
in
> some Gothic documents, as the Skeireins)
> myha "sword", Go. mekeis: the same thing (cf. O.Sax. maki "sword")
> ada "egg", from Go. (unattested) *addja- < Gmc. *ajja-. Only in
> Gothic
> the group -jj- became -ddj-.
>
> Francisc
>
>
> --- In gothic-l at egroups.com, dirk at s... wrote:
> > Hi, I cannot speak about the linguistics, but if you read Vasilev
> on
> > the Goths in the Crimea, this should lead anyone to treat the few
> > Crimean Gothic words that there are with great suspicion. Vasilev
> > pointed out that the notes of the Dutch ambassador are not
reliable
> > and that it is possible that the Goths that he meant were in
> reality
> > either Jews who lived there in considerable numbers and who spoke
> > yiddish or Germans, brought there as slaves from East Prussia by
> the
> > Tatars. Vasilev seem to think that any Gothic awarness or
language
> > died out in the Crimean in about the 12th century after having
been
> > throroughly hellenised and later tatarised. He helds that it was
> only
> > the Christian religion which may have identified the decendents of
> > the
> > Goths. Thus, when in 1778 a number of tatar-speaking Christians
> > resettled to Russia, Vasilev said that they may have had a drop
of
> > Gothic blood in their veins. I think Vasilev's propositions are
> > likely
> >  and that they must be borne in mind before making any linguistic
> > comparisons.
> >
> > Dirk


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