[gothic-l] Re:Heruls

[dirk at SMRA.CO.UK]

--- In gothic-l at y..., andreas.schwarcz at u... wrote:
> Hello Ingemar and Troels,
> Ingemar, forget your idea, it won't work. Troels is quite right with 
his 
> objections. For the Heruls I should like to draw your attention to
> 
>  Alvar Ellegard, Who were the Heruli? In: Scandia 53 (1987) pp.5-
> 34, 
> 
> who did quite a good analysis of the sources for them from the third 
> to the sixth century, though his conclusion that they developed in 
> Bavaria is a bit too sharply drawn. As far as I can see we have to 
> distinguish between
>  
> 1) the rather shadowy Black Sea/Maeotis Eluri or Heruli of the third 
> and fourth century, 
> 
> 2) the Heruli mentioned in the West of the Empire at the end of the 
 
> third century, in the Notitia dignitatum and possibly still in the 
sixth 
> century in the variae of Cassiodorus and 
> 
> 3) the Central European Heruli after the end of Attila´s reign and 
> their aftermath treated by Procopius.
> 
> The second and third group may be connected (there are some 
> archeological signs of connections to the Black Sea region in the 
> Central European material), but it is also possible that only the 
> names are the same taken from the function as a warrior band 
> without ethnic connections.
> 
> For the first group I would like to point out an article by
> 
> Maciej Salamon, The Chronology of Gothic incursions into Asia 
> Minor in the IIIrd century. In: Eos 59 (1971) pp.109-139
> 
> and a volume on the Black Sea coast:
> 
> Die Schwarzmeerküste in der Spätantike und im frühen Mittelalter. 
> Schriften der Balkan-Kommission der Österreichischen Akademie 
> der Wissenschaften. Antiquarische Abteilung Nr.18 (Wien 1992, 
> with two articles on the incursions by me and Eckhart Olshausen).
> 
> Kind regards
>             Andreas  
> Ao.Univ.Prof.Dr.Andreas Schwarcz
> Institut für österreichische Geschichtsforschung
> Universität Wien
> Dr.Karl Lueger-Ring 1
> A-1010 Wien
> Österreich
> Tel.0043/1/42-77/272-16




Hello Andreas,

that is very interesting information. Alas some systematics in the 
otherwise very blurred and speculative history of the Heruls. However, 
 can you venture a guess as to the nature (tribe or warband?), 
'origin' (Danube area, Jutland or else?) and fate of the Heruls from 
your knowledge of the sources?

best regards
Dirk






>.
Dr. Dirk Faltin



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