[gothic-l] Gutþiuda and Goðþjóð

[Anþanareiks]

>The form -theud (people), was introduced for the Gothic name Gut-
thiuda, which in Old Norse developed into Goththjod > Godthjod,


How would gut-Þiuda, the land of the Goths, evolve into goð-þjóð, the 
abode of the Gods from a symantic point of view, unless goth means 
goð, or normalized spelling, godh.
Gothic words:

gut-þiuda, the Gothic people.
guþ (guth)norm.  pl. guda. God
guda-skaunei, the form of God.
guþ-blôstreis, (guth-blostreis) worshipper of God.


>From Wolfram:
THE GUTTHIUDA: THE LAND OF THE TERVINGI AND TAIFALI 
    Though Gutthiuda   means etymologically nothing other 
than "Gothic  people,"... The word Gutthiuda comes from the tradition 
of the Christian Goths, who applied it to the heathen land of the 
Goths. If we leave aside this religious dimension, Gutthiuda means 
the same as the Got(h )ia of the Greek and Latin sources. That a 
barbarian territory is called "the people" or "the family" is not 
unusual. Visigothic Spain was considered the "land or people of the 
Goths.... 

Wolfram says that gutþiuda comes from a Christian tradition of 
applying it to the heathen land which doesn´t mean that the world 
itself is not indigenious, but rather seems to indicate that it is. 
Particularly, in the Wulfilas Bible, you will  see þuidans as a 
synomym for pagan or gentile.

Mark:
33. 
jah gawargjand ina dauþau jah atgiband ina þiudom
they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles

42.

wituþ þatei þaiei þuggkjand reikinon þiudom, gafraujinond im, 

Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles 
exercise lordship over them

key words:
þiudom, gentile
reikinon, from reiks ruler,  -  rule
gafraujinond, lordship, from frauja, lord
Conversley to þiudom, gentile is people refered to as  managein:

jah qemun in Iairikon. jah usgaggandin imma jainþro miþ siponjam 
seinaim jah managein ganohai, sunus Teimaiaus, 
And they came to Jericho: and as he went out of Jericho with his 
disciples and a great number of people, 


managein
possible related to:
Sanskrit manu, ON maðr, proto-Germanic mannus

  
The closest I came to finding a abode of gods, goðþjóð, with Wulfilas 
was kingdom of god which is

þiudangardjai gudis:

jah Iesus gasaihwands ina þatei frodaba andhof, qaþ du imma: ni 
fairra þiudangardjai gudis. 

And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, 
Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. 

Does anyone know in which text the word Gutþhiuda is contained?



Anþanareiks






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