[gothic-l] Re: Dan, Danai and the Greek Danoi

[malmqvist52 at YAHOO.SE]

Hi all,
--- In gothic-l at y..., "Anþanareiks" <anthanaric at h...> wrote:
> Regarding the Danoi and the Illiad. I do not recall anyone 
mentioning 
> Saxo.
> 
> 
> From Saxo Grammaticus's Gesta Danorum, the History of the Danes:
> Chapter I, paragraph I. The beginning.
> 
> Now Dan and Angul, with whom the stock of the Danes begins, were 
> begotten of Humble, their father, and were the governors and not 
only 
> the founders of our race. (Yet Dudo, the historian of Normandy, 
> considers that the Danes are sprung and named from the Danai.) And 
> these two men, though by the wish and favour of their country they 
> gained the lordship of the realm, and, owing to the wondrous 
deserts 
> of their bravery, got the supreme power by the consenting voice of 
> their countrymen, yet lived without the name of king: the usage 
> whereof was not then commonly resorted to by any authority among 
our 
> people. 
> 
I think I wrote in an earlier post here or in germanic-l about Saxo's 
lie about Dudo, and here it is.
It seems that Saxo saw the contradiction- Daci being Danes/Danai and 
decending from Antenor, who in Troy-wars fought with Danaoi- and 
wanted to simplify things by saying that Dudo thinks the Danes are 
Danai i. e. Greeks.
As 
Karsten Friis-Jensen 
writes in 
Dudo of St. Quentin and Saxo Grammaticus', s. 11-28 i: P. Gatti & A. 
Degl'Innocenti
(udg.), Dudone di San Quintino, Trento 1995 (Labirinti, 16).
this is a considerable "lie" (my word, I don't recall Friis-Jensens 
exact words as I write this.)

Dudo clearly points out that it is the  Dacians(DANES) as he refer 
them quite consequently  who say that they are Danai or Danes 
boasting decendandce from Antenor. As if HE ALSO perhaps saw a 
contradiction in Danai Decending from Antenor, and then attributing 
the the misstake to the danes.

Saxo puts everything in Dudos mouth,  and says that he means  the 
Danes decend from the danai and simply doesnt mention Antenor.
That's a clear lie to me.

Best wishes 

Anders 

Ps 
Maybe its the -oi ending(greek) that makes all the difference after 
all.
Ds

  



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