[gothic-l] Re: Gothic (Langobardic)

[dirk at SMRA.CO.UK]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "Francisc Czobor" <czobor at c...> wrote:
> Hi Dirk,
> 
> --- In gothic-l at y..., dirk at s... wrote:
> > ...
> > Indeed, that is another question that interests me. The exchange 
of 
>  
> > "b" for a "p" seems to be a characteristic of both Langobardic and 
 
> > Bavarian and is still clearly noticeable in modern Bavarian. I 
don't 
> > know much about this shift, but would be interested to learn more 
> > about it. My hypothesis is that the two languages were very 
similar 
> in 
> > the 7th/8th centuries safe for some dialectal variation, which may 
> be 
> > underscored by the fact that the Langobardic royal house was 
closely 
> > related and of the same origin as the Bavarian ducal house. In 
fact, 
> > the Langobardic royal house was called the Bavarian dynasty.
> 
> The shift b>p is part of the second consonant shift, that occured in 
> High German and Langobardic. In initial position, however, this 
shift 
> appears in only in "Oberdeutsch" (Bavarian-Austrian, Alamanic, 
Suabian 
> and "Oberfränkisch" dialects) and is not reflected in Standard 
German 
> (for instance, in the Bavarian dialect of Old High German we have: 
> pruoder for Bruder "brother", part for Bart "beard", peigira for 
Bayer 
> "Bavarian", etc.).
> It is not clear to me whether Langobardic was OHG or not. Some 
> classify it as an OHG dialect, others say that initially it was an 
> Ingevonic (Anglo-Frisian)-type Germanic language, but, being in the 
> neighborhood of OHG, participated in the second consonant shift, but 
> in somehow different conditions than OHG.
> 
> Francisc



Hi Frncisc,

thanks a lot for the information. I know of the following 
examples of Langobardic and  Gothic words:


Gothic:       Langobardic:    H. German:    Italian:    English:

tappa/tappo   Zapfo           Zapfen        zaffo       Plug
                                           (and tappo)         
Haribergo     Heribergo       Herberge      Albergo     Hostel         
        

Note there are apparently two Italian words for plug, one of Gothic 
and one of Langobardic origin. 

cheers,
Dirk








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