[gothic-l] Re: Gaut, Gapt

[malmqvist52 at YAHOO.SE]

Hi Andreas,

--- In gothic-l at y..., andreas.schwarcz at u... wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2001, at 17:28, Le Bateman wrote:
> 
> > Please show me the original Latin sources which mention Oduin, I 
think
> > this is the author's own conjectures. Tacitus refers to Mercurius 
and
> > Mars. Even Jordanes uses the Latin names, Gregory of Tours, wrote
> > about the Franks, not the Goths, even he used the Roman names for 
the
> > native gods. Merurius, and Mars especially. Le
> > 
> You will find the Comes Odoin  in Excerpta Valesiana II 68 f. and 
in 
> Auctarium Havniense sub anno 504. It is obviously phonetically the 
> same personal name as that of the Longobardic king Audoin. 
>  
> > 107).
> > > > (In Gregor of Tour's writings we find the PN Authari written 
as
> > > > Aptacharius.) This is an important example of the practice. It
> > > > surprises me that such an important example was not mentioned
> > > > earlier. This is probably the Langobard king Authari who ruled
> > > > from 584-590. Gregor of Tours (538-594) was his contemporary.
> > > > Paulus Diaconus (725-795) writes the name as "Authari".
> > >
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > To complicate things further, we must also take into account 
that
> > > late antique and early medieval scibes did not distinguish 
between u
> > > and v and used both letters either as vowels or as consonants. 
Thus
> > > Rausus could have been spoken Rafsus and Raptus been spoken 
Raftus
> > > or Rautus. And Gaut and Gapt could both have been spoken Gaut 
and
> > > Gaft.
> > >
> > I really can't follow the logic here. Why would you write Raptus 
when
> > it should be pronounced Rautus? Are these aknowleged latin 
spelling
> > rules?
> 
> If you read Reichert´s article I posted and to which Keth repilied, 
> you will find that learned late antique Latin writers like 
Cassiodorus, 
> Jordanes and Gregory of Tours used a graecism, turning spoken 
> aut into written apt. See above the examples Authari-Aptacharius 
> or Gaut-Gapt. 

I'm still not very impressed by Reichert article. He apparently wants 
to make it likely that Gapt=Gaut, and can only find this one example 
of his invented s. c. graecism.
By the way, how do we KNOW that Authari and Aptacharius are not two 
different persons with differently derived names. This actually looks 
more plausible to me.  
Best wishes 
Anders


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