[gothic-l] Re: The Goths, Gutland (Gutones) and the Guta Saga

[malmqvist52 at YAHOO.SE]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm at s...> wrote:
> Anders,
> I see where you got it from. This is a lot of nonsence from the 
Swedish
> government without any scientific reality. If you didn't know it, 
Sweden is
> the most centralistic state within the EU and can't tolerate any 
deviation
> from the Stockholm opinion.
> 
> see also my reply to Dirk.
> 
> Fortunately there are people within the universities with integrity.
> Tore
> 
Hi Tore,

Is Bosse Carlgren's, Gutamål page also nonsense? Or is he simply not 
allowed to write something else?
I can continue to quote: 

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Gutamålets främste kännare fil. dr. Herbert Gustavson (1895-1986) ger 
oss den här bakgrunden i sin bok GUTAMÅLET – inledning till studium:

"Gutamålet är det språk, den dialekt, som av gammalt talats av 
gutarna, Gotlands invånare. Ordet gutamål är skapat av Carl Säve, en 
gotlänning, som var professor i nordiska språk åren 1859-1876, och 
som insamlat och bearbetat gutamål, liksom brodern P.A. Säve (1811-
87). Guta mal på forngutniska betyder gutarnas språk. Gutamålet kan 
sägas vara en dialekt av svenska språket ---. Man kan emellertid med 
ett visst berättigande kalla gutamålet ett särskilt nordiskt språk, 
särskilt om man tänker på de stora olikheterna mellan forngutniska å 
ena sidan och fornsvenska, forndanska och fonnorska å andra sidan."

Forngutniskan tillhör den germanska språkstammen på språkträdet. Det 
finns några som, med hänvisning till en del slående likheter, hävdar 
att språket har samband med de utdöda språken på den östgermanska 
språkgrenen. De tror att gutarna är ättlingar till de gåtfulla 
goterna. Men de flesta är idag överens med Herbert Gustavson om att 
språket tillhörde den nordgermanska grenen.
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The geatest conaisseur of the gutamål fil. dr. Herbert Gustavson 
(1895-1986) gives us this background in his book  GUTAMÅLET – 
inledning till studium:
"Gutamålet is the language, the dialect, which since old is spoken by 
the gut people, the inhabitants of Gotland. The word gutamål is 
created by Carl Säve, a gotlander,who was professor in nordic 
languages the years 1859-1876 and who has collected and analyzed 
gutamål, as the brother P A Säve(1811-87). Guta mal on old gutnish 
means the language of the guts. The gutamål can be said to be a 
dialect of the swedish language---. However you can with a certain 
justification call the gutamål a special nordic language, especially 
if you consider the big unlikenesses between old gutnish on one hand 
and old swedish, old danish and old norse on the other hand"

Old gutnish belongs to the germanic language tribe on the language 
tree. There are many, which considering some striking similarities, 
defend that the language is conected with the extinct languages on  
the east germanic language branch. They believe that the guts are 
decendants to the mysterious goths. But most people today agree with 
Herbert Gustavsson that the language belonged to the northen germanic 
branch.
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Remember also the piece on the rune stones!



Tore,I really don't think we need to fight over the the question 
whether the gutamål is a north germanic language or a dito dialect. 
I think it's a question of how you define the swedish language, and 
therefore off topic for this list.

But anyway, I agree that there are very much in the gutamål that I 
wouldn't understand. But I think it's the same with many other north 
germanic dialects/languages (some extinct though) E. g.the Älvdalsmål,
the Blekinge Archipelago Dialect ( I think my mother has some tapes 
of it still, I'm from Karlskrona) and nearly all norweigan dialects.
On the other hand I think i understand norweigan bokmål so-so, "State 
Danish" very well, and have you heard people from Bornholm speak? 
It's nearly swedish, actually:-].

Whith this I want to say that one of the  definitions of the swedish 
language ( as it seems) is the northen germanic dialects with in the 
borders of Sweden. If this is a god or bad definition, is relly not 
for me to say( it doesn't interest me that much), but one advantage 
of it is that it enrichens my mother tounge- the otherwise so poor 
swedish language.

This is enough of off topic for now.

Best Wishes
Anders Malmqvist

  


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