[gothic-l] Re: "Eruli", "Goths", "Danes" and wherefrom the runes

[Tore Gannholm]

>
>In Menghin's book (Die Langobarden) she is definitely called
>daughter of Rodolph, I will see if he states a direct source. At any
>rate it seems likely that she was either Rodolph's daughter or
>another member of the original Danube Herulic royal clan. Overall,
>there can hardly be any doubt that the Heruls were scattered around
>the region after their defeat of 508/9. Parts of them had moved to
>Italy, which I think was the most prefereable option, since Italy
>had been the target of scores of barbarians before them. Another
>group joined the Langobards just as defeated enemies were
>intergrated into the Langobards at other occasions and as is
>indicated by subsequent events. One group may also have settled in
>modern Bavaria and contributed to the Bavarian ethnogenesis, as is
>claimed by many secondary sources. Family ties of the Bavarian
>Agilofings with Heruls like Fara and Sindvalt may support this view.
>A further group of which Procopius had some knowledge first tried to
>make a living in the deserted Rugiland. However, they suffered
>starvation there and sought refuge among the Gepids, who mistreated
>them. Too weak to opose the Gepids they decided to seek refuge among
>the Romans. Of this group, Procopius reports that a further group
>split off to travel north to Thule. I think this secenario is well
>supported by historical sources.
>
>cheers
>Dirk

Dirk,
I am sorry taking it up again but you continue referring to
Procopius. But where does he say the Heruls took refuge among the
Gepids?

"HISTORY OF THE WARS, VI. xv. 1-6

XV

WHEN the Eruli, being defeated by the Lombards in the above-mentioned
battle, migrated from their ancestral homes, some of them, as has
been told by me above, made their home in the country of Illyricum,
but the rest were averse to crossing the Ister River, but settled at
the very extremity of the world; at any rate, these men, led by many
of the royal blood, traversed all the nations of the Sclaveni one
after the other, and after next crossing a large tract of barren
country, they came to the Varni,2 as they are called. After these
they passed by the nations of the Dani,3 without suffering violence
at  the hands of the barbarians there. Coming thence to the ocean,
they took to the sea, and putting in at Thule,4 remained there on the
island."

As far as I know the "Herulian lots" in Italy were instituted by
Odoaker and therefore belong to an earlier time period.

Also could you please point out where Paulus Diaconus talks about Heruls.
I rather prefer primary sources than second and third hand sources.
Tore

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