[gothic-l] Re: Pronounciation

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "M. Carver" <me at m...> wrote:
> Hails!
>
> In Roman engraving and writing from early times C has been used for
G. Originally, there was no G, for which C
> stood. K was lost or something and C came to represent both C and
G. Eventually by adding a stroke to C they made
> the letter G. I think that's how it goes. Anyway, it was common to
use C, for instance Gaius was simply written C.
> even in later times. I don't know whether this practice was still
in use at the time of the Victoriae Gotthi
> inscription, but it seems likely. I only remember this from Latin
class and don't have any books to quote from right
> now.
>
> Cheers,
> -Matthew
>


Hi Matthew,

that is probably the correct answer. The only thing is that 'G' was
used to write 'Gothic' by Claudius II prior to the 'C' used by
Tacitus. However, the writing of Gothic with 'C' under Tacitus might
reflect some sort of classical revival at the time. Maybe only a
personal taste of the die engravers under Tacitus. However, I also
wondered why they suddenly wrote Gothic with two 'TT' instead of 'TH'.

Dirk








>
>
> faltin2001 wrote:
>
> > --- In gothic-l at y..., "ravichaudhary2000" <Ravi9 at h...> wrote:
> > > --- In gothic-l at y..., "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > One point perhaps, on coins, so-called Antonianiae and Aurei
of
> > > > emperor Tacitus (not to be confused with the historian) the
name
> > of
> > > > the Goths is spelled 'VICTORIAE COTTHI'. I have two of these
> > > > Antoniniae with full silver-wash, i.e. in the highest possible
> > > > condition, yet the name of the Goths is definitely spelled
with
> > > > a 'C'. It could of course mean that this was a fashion of the
> > time,
> > > > yet on coins of Claudius II, Quintillius and Aurelianus the
name
> > of
> > > > the Goths is spelled with a clear and unmistakeable 'G',
> > > > i.e. 'VICTORIAE GOTHIC'. At any rate, is it possible that the
> > > writing
> > > > of the name Goths with 'C' and 'TT' reflected some sort of
> > > > pronounciation at the time?
> > > >
> > > > Dirk
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this an isolated example ?
> > >
> > >  and
> > >
> > > how do you go from Cotti to Goth or viceversa ?
> >
> > Hi Ravi,
> >
> > the fact that Cotti refers to Gothi on Tacitus' coins is
undisputed.
> > Firstly, the inscription Victoriae Cotti refers to victories over
> > people called Cotti. The ony victories that the elderly Tacitus
> > achieved in his short reign were over the Goths. I think he was
even
> > awarded the title of Gothicus. Finally, if I remember correctly
> > contemporary sources stated that the emperor celebrated his
victories
> > over the Goths with this coin series. Hence, 'Victoriae Cotti' is
the
> > same as the Victoriae Gothic on the coins of his imidiate
predessors.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Dirk
> >
> > >
> > > This may be unrelated, but
> > >
> > > The classical greeks, wrote of SandraCott-us, and also SasiCott-
us,
> > > these are identified , mostly, with indian names - ChandraGupta
and
> > > SasiGupta., which appear to sanskritized versions of Chandra-
gut.
> > >
> > > Thus Gupta( the G as in Greek)  is also derived in eralier times
> > from
> > > Gut,( G as in German ), though Gut which also means a 'group'(
G as
> > > in Greek). also exists.
> > >
> > > I could not help note the similarity
> > >
> > > Input appreciated
> > >
> > > Ravi
> >
> >
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