[gothic-l] Re: Names

Francisc Czobor fericzobor at YAHOO.COM
Mon Nov 18 08:37:08 UTC 2002


Hails allaim!

I came back to this subject only because I found (in two sources)
that the first part of the name is attested in Gothic: wods or woths
(adjective) = mad, angry, enraged, furious, possessed. The stem of
this asjective was probably woda- (rather than wotha-), thus the
formation *Wodawakjands or better (as shown by Matthew) *Wodawakjis
or *Wodawakja is very plausible, since both roots involved in this
compound are attested in Gothic.

Francisc

--- In gothic-l at y..., "M. Carver" <me at m...> wrote:
> Hails!
>
> I am like Francisc also, amateur (post-bac, trying to find a better
graduate program). Allow me to suggest an
> alternate nominal ending, as the participial agentive might be
cumbersome and perhaps sound a bit un-namelike (see
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Salon/2385/gothnames.html for common
nymic terminals in Gothic). Of agentive suffixes
> in Gothic there is -ja (< -jan-), such as in dedja (one who does)
and kasja (one who makes pottery), gaggja (one who
> goes). There is -jis, -eis  (< -ja-) as in harjis (army), asneis
(daylaborer), siuneis (witness), fasteis (one who
> holds fast, i.e. expert), ma?leis (speaker), ragineis (counsellor,
guide), et al. There is also -areis, from latin.
> But the closest match to -vaknir however might be the -jis/-eis
ending. So besides *Wodawakjands, you might think
> about *Wodawakjis or *Wodawakja, depending on your taste and
euphony.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> Francisc Czobor wrote:
>
> > --- In gothic-l at y..., "hrafnsnest" <mimir at s...> wrote:
> >
> > Hails, Odhvaknir,
> >
> > I'll try to give you a suggestion, but keep in mind that I am not
a
> > specialist in Gothic, not even a linguist, but just a poor humble
> > amateur who can not even find enough time for his hobby.
> > So the Gothic form for odh- "inspiration/madness" (in OHG wot,
German
> > Wut "rage, madness"), would be probably *woth- or *wod-, but I
think
> > that it is not attested in the extant Gothic writings; "to wake
up"
> > is in Gothic wakan, thus the causative form "to awaken" should be
> > *wakjan. In conclusion, most probably the Gothic correspondent
> > of "Odhvaknir" could be *Wothawakjands or *Wodawakjands or
something
> > like this. You should better ask a specialist.
> >
> > Francisc
> >
> > > Hail Francisc,
> > >
> > > Speaking of names, some time ago I constructed a by-name for
myself
> > > Odhvaknir < ON - meaning "one who awakens inspiration, or
madness",
> > depending on the mood I'm in I suppose.  How would you render
this in
> > Gotic?
> > >
> > > Ves Heil,
> > > Odhvaknir
> >
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