[gothic-l] Re: Vladimir

[Егоров Владимир]

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Gazariah,



thank you for your comment.

Regarding the word "Airils",
I have encountered it somewhere
on the Gothic-L earlier.
I do not risk deciding whether
[jarilo] was a loanword or
a cognate to "Airils" especially
because the exact meaning of [jarilo]
in Old Russian is under question.
[jarilo] was assumed as either
a Solar deity, or some analog of
Greek Adonis, or even a (female) naiad.
And I would not advise to rely on
Vasmer too much.
BTW, "-dlo" was in Old Russian
an instrumental suffix scarcely baring
relation to [jarilo] in any sense.

Everything concerning [jat'] was
correct and valuable,
thank you once more.



Vladimir



-----Original Message-----
From: gazariah [mailto:brahmabull at hushmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 7:51 PM
To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Vladimir


Vladimir,

I'm just a beginner at Gothic, but I do know some things about the
history of Russian. I have a question and a comment.

> Gothic "Airils" is [jarilo]. Should "ai"
> be here pronounced as [e], the Russian
> version would be [(j)erilo]. Though, in
> case of the pronunciation [aj], I realize
> a probability of a metathesis
> [ajrilo]-[jarilo], which would explain
> the Russian cognate without the a-umlaut.

I confess I don't know the word /Airils/. What does it mean?

I think you mean this is a Gothic loan into Old Russian, not a
cognate. Vasmer says /jarilo/ probably comes from
Slavic /jar/ "spring". I guess the suffix is /-dlo/, well known in
Slavic, e.g. Russian /mylo/ "soap" from /my-/ "to wash" +dlo.

And if /jarilo/ is in fact a Gothic loan, the metathesis would be
perfectly expected, since /ajrilo/ would have violated the law of
rising sonority, still existing in Old Russian at the earliest
period. (This law demands that all syllables end in a vowel.)

> the Russian cognate to
> Gothic "hlaifs" as [hleb] indicating
> replacement "ai">[e]. >
>
This (well known) Gothic loan in Russian used to be spelled with a
jat'. This letter was originally distinct in pronunciation from <e>,
although later the two fell together and jat' was eliminated from the
Russian alphabet after the revolution in 1917. (Just to keep up,
there was a short vowel after the <b> in /xl#b/, as required by the
law of rising sonority.)

And jat' was the regular reflex of earlier /ai/, as seen in
Russian /cena/ (with jat' earlier) "price" :: Lithuanian /kaina/. The
root also exists in Greek.

Vladimir, I have written a lot here I'm sure you know, for the sake
of others who don't know Slavic linguistic history.

Cheers,
Gazariah





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