[gothic-l] Re: fairhwus + Greutingi + Gothic loans in Polish

[llama_nom]

Hi all!

And the OE cognate of FAIRHWUS is FEORH 'life'.  Looking up 
_fairguni_ just now on Google, I came across this article on the 
Gothic contribution to Polish:

www.fh.ug.gda.pl/images/Czarnecki.pdf

In particular I noticed the following comment on a Polish place name 
sometimes said to derive from the tribal name recorded in Latin as 
GREUTINGI.  Czarnecki says here that the place name is of Slavonic 
rather than East Germanic origin - which means it can't be used as 
evidence that this tribe was an old grouping going back to Poland.

10.1.1.7. Grudzi¹dz – eine Ortschaft Solch eine Form geht nicht auf 
die Bezeichnung eines ostgerm. (got.) Stammes *Ghraudingos (> ostgot. 
Grutungi) zurück, sondern, wie die ältere Form Grudzieniec zeigt, ist 
sie slawischer Herkunft. Vgl. Kiparsky (1934: 39, 166), Stender-
Petersen (1927: 520)


Llama Nom



--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor at y...> 
wrote:
> Hi, Dirk!
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> > ... 
> > Hi Francisc,
> > 
> > I am interested in the word  "fairhwus" for world. Can you think 
of 
> > an equivalent in another Germanic language. All the other words 
are 
> > more or less easily recognisable but "fairhwus" is not, at least 
> not 
> > for me. Could it be a loanword? Old high German has "mittingart" 
> for 
> > world and "aerdha" for lat. terra. Also, "hliftus" for thief does 
> not 
> > remind me of a Germanic equivalent.
> > 
> > Otherwise, old high German equivalents to your Gothic examples:
> > 
> > oHG - Gothic
> > suno/sune/sun - sunus
> > harto/hart - hartus
> > hanto/hant - handus
> > float - flodus
> > anglih - aggwus
> > agalizo (?) - aglus
> > todh/dodh - dauthus
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Dirk
> 
> the Gothic word fairhwus "Welt / world, terrestrial domain of life" 
> (apud Köbler) is considered to be derived from the IE 
*perqwus "oak" 
> (cf. Lat. quercus "oak"), the meaning shift being "tree / oak" 
> > "cosmical tree" (of the Germanic mythology) > "world". Its 
> equivalents in other Germanic languages denote kinds of trees (for 
> instance, German Föhre, English fir).
> From the same IE root are derived also: Goth. fairguni "mountain", 
> the Old Norse deity Fjörgunn and also words in other IE languages 
> denoting thunder gods (Hittite Perkunas, Sanskrit Parjanas, Slavic 
> Perun etc.).
> OHG mittingart (= ON midgardr) has also its Gothic equivalent: 
> midjungard.
> OHG aerdha (Erde / earth) is in Gothic airtha.
> 
> The Gothic word hliftus "thief" has no equivalent (as far as I 
know) 
> in other Germanic languages. Together with the verb hlifan "to 
steal" 
> it comes from the IE root klep- "to steal", whence also Greek 
> kleptein "to steal", klepte:s "thief" (> cleptomania!), Lat. 
> clepere "to steal".
> German Dieb / English thief have also a Gothic equivalent: thiubs / 
> thiufs.
> 
> Francisc



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