[gothic-l] Re: Old Prussian

[llama_nom]

Hi Dirk,


> I also mentioned Brunja, which seems Germanic as well. If Sarwis is 
> originally Germanic, than I would expect it to be Gothic, rather 
than 
> a later borrowing when Germans arrived in large numbers in the 
> region, since the word was not used as far as I know in the middle 
> ages. Brunja could be a West Germanic borrowing I suppose, but it 
> looks closer to Gothic Brunjo.


Yes, no WG gemination (as in OS brunnia).  I wonder if a double 
consonant would be preserved in (or leave evidence in) Prussian 
though?  Of course if it's only recorded in a list of words using 
late medieval / early modern German orthography, that might not be 
clear.


Cognates & relatives of Got. SARWA:

OE searo
OHG saro (in Hildebrandslied), gasarawi
MHG geserwe
OIc sörvi 'necklace' (but in poetry: sörva hyrr 'fire of armour' = 
sword) - & cf. personal name Sörli



> Some Russian archaeologists have argued that Saxons may have moved 
to 
> the Vistula region in the 6th century, because of the occurance of 
a 
> certain (supposedly) Saxon urn type. These Saxons are said to be 
> responsible for the so called archaeological Olstyn or Mazur-
Germanic 
> group. I think this is still speculative, but if correct it could 
> explain West Germanic influence.


That's interesting, and would undermine a lot of assumptions!


> I think the Old Prussian word Waldwico, means knight, but also lord 
> and landlord. The Wald- is supposed to relate to Gothic waldan (to 
> rule). 


Do you know if WICO is reckoned to be from Gothic too?


> > Rugis does seem to be a borrowing, one way or the 
> > other, but is there any indication for the direction of borrowing?
> 
> 
> I think it was borrowed from Germanic (possibly Gothic) to Old 
> Prussian. Rye in German is Roggen and the name of the Rugi tribe is 
> believed to mean rye-growers. 
> Cheers
> Dirk


Llama Nom



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