[gothic-l] Re: fairhwus + Greutingi + Gothic loans in Polish

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Hi francisc,
"Proper gothic" in the sense that it was the gothic spoken at the 
time of Wulfila's bible translation, which constitutes the main 
corpus of the extant gothic texts. Early gothic should have been 
closer to North-germanic, from which it had already started to 
differentiate after its speaker's migration from scandinavia and 
gotland into the vistula area.

Adan-Pol

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor at y...> 
wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> What is more remarkable from my pint of view, in Czarnecki's 
article, 
> is the attempt to derive the modern Polish place name Gdansk from 
> a "weichselgothisch" (Vistula-Gothic)*gudiscandja or *gutiskandja. 
> This proposed etymology falls under the cathegory of possible 
> borrowings from Gothic ("mögliche Entlehnungsfälle"), thus
more 
> plausible than Grudziadz < *Ghraudingos.
> This would be thus an attempt to locate the 
> (legendary?) "Gothiscandza" of Jordanes that, according to his 
Getica 
> (IV, 25), must have been somewhere on the southern shore of the 
> Baltic Sea, where also the modern city of Gdansk is located.
> 
> Generally speaking about Czarnecki's article, excepting the place 
> names, all the other Gothic (or, more generally, Germanic) 
loanwords 
> in Polish are found also in other Slavic languages, being in fact 
> borrowings from Gothic or some other old Germanic dialect into 
Common 
> Slavic. Very interesting the attempt to identify three layers of 
> Gothic loanwords into Polish (in fact, Slavic):
> 1. Early Gothic ("frühgotische") or Vistula-Gothic 
> ("weichselgotische"), approx. AD 0-200
> 2. Proper Gothic ("eigentliche gotische") or Steppe Gothic 
> ("steppengotische"), approx. AD 200-400
> 3. Late Gothic ("spätgotische") or Balkan-Gothic 
("balkangotische"), 
> aprrox. AD 400-600.
> I don't understand why just the "Steppe Gothic" (spoken by the 
Goths 
> in the steppes at the Black Sea between approx. 200-400 AD) is 
> considered to be "Proper Gothic". Probably because of the fact 
that 
> in the Balkans the Gothic language begun to be submitted to 
Romanic 
> influence. In any case, this "Late Gothic" was spoken not only in 
the 
> Balkans (apparently until the 9th or 10th century in some 
locations), 
> but for sure also in the Ostrogothic Italy (where the extant 
copies 
> of the Codex Argenteus and Skeireins were made and where the deeds 
of 
> Arezzo and Naples were issued) and, for some time, also in the 
> Visigothic Spain (although I don't know of much concrete evidence 
for 
> the use of the Gothic language there; but we have evidence for its 
> use in the Alano-Vandalic North Africa!).
> 
> Francisc




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