[gothic-l] Re: about 'himma daga'.

[thiudans]

Also note "hidre" = hi-dre, which is this *his particle with the -dre 
direction suffix < PIE -tred (cf. aljath, dalath, hwath/hwadre, 
jaind(re), samath, hidre; Sw. hit. In the archives on Gothic-L 
someone, perhaps David, reconstructed the entire paradigm 
(probably in the first two years or so). Basically I guess it would 
follow the 'is' paradigm:

Sg.
     M.     N.    F.
N his hita hi(u)
G his his hija
A hina hita hizos
D himma himma himma

Pl.
N heis hija hijos
A hins hija hijos
G hize hize hizo
D him him him


Note similarity to OE he - hit - heo?
Cheers,
Matthew

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <
fericzobor at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Fredrik
> 
> According to Koebler's Woerterbuch 
> (http://www.koeblergerhard.de/germanistischewoerterbuecher/
gotischeswo
> erterbuch/GOT-H.pdf), the pronominal root is hi- (from IE root 
ko-, 
> ke-, kei-, ki-, kijo-, kjo-), the meaning being "this, of here and 
> now, the present, this here". The attested forms are:
> hita (neuter sg., Nom.&Ac.)
> hina (masc. sg., Ac.)
> himma (masc.& neuter sg., Dat.)
> These forms appear in expressions like:
> fram himma (nu) = from now on
> himma daga = today
> und hina daga = unto this day, until today
> und hita = until now
> The unattested nominative sg. masc. would be *his, and the 
genitive 
> sg. probably also *his.
> Indeed, it is cognate with OHG hiu- in hiu-tagu "heute (today)", 
OE 
> héo- etc.
> 
> Francisc
>  
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at h...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Himma daga, today, is dative. The accusative form does also 
occure 
> as 
> > hina dag, right? The meaning of this ain't know for me, but 
i've 
> seen 
> > it. Does the genitive and nominative form excist? Even 
though it 
> > hasn't been recorded, how would they be? I know the word 
for day is 
> > dags, and dagis, but how would himma be in the other 
cases?
> > 
> > I also thought about the relation to other germaic languages.
> > The german word heute and the anglosaxon héodæg both 
has the prefix 
> > héo- and hiu- plus the word for day. The swedish word for 
today 
> > is 'idag', could this probably come from older 'hidager'? (the 
> > suffix -er is nominative).
> > 
> > If this is right, can this prefix be related to the gothic word 
> > himma, and whatever it is in nominative?





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