[gothic-l] Re: Gothic & Greek B in Slabonic

[James Young]

Llama Nom et al:
 
Aren't the Bulgars from the Volga (near the Don and aren't they and the Finns related to the Huns, both linguistically and genetically? If so isn't the period of Ostrogothic vassalage to the Huns a likely candidate for a transfer of Germanic words to both Finnish and Bulgarian. Especially as the Goths were in the processes of utilizing their relatively new written language to codify their laws at the same time Attila was becoming his most imperial after sparing Rome. I think the Goths were always special to Attila, good and bad.
 
Jim
llama_nom <penterakt at fsmail.net> wrote:

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> Finnish borrowings from the Common Germanic are 
> an intriguing riddle that gives me no rest. 

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>> within the initial 
> > period after the Christening, came to Russia through Bulgaria 
> already translated 
> > into Old Bulgarian (Old Slavonic) where the Bulgarians, well 
> acquainted 
> > with the Greek culture and language, used to put the Slavonic V-
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> > Given such words, maybe we shouldn't read too much into Priscus's 
> > comment beyond the immediate situation at Attila's court, or 
maybe 
> it 
> > didn't apply at an earlier time.  If it was true though, the 
> > following article might explain it:
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> > http://www.kortlandt.nl/publications/art198e.pdf
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> > Here Frederik Kortlandt argues that the Goths migrated not 
directly 
> > from the Vistula to the Ukraine, but along a more westerly route, 
> > along the Danube.  This, he says, explains certain Latin & Celtic 
> > influences on Gothic.....  > > to show that the Goths entered the Balkans from the west, not 
from 
> > the north." 

I can see entering Dacia from the West and that was certainly part of the Empire for a while, and it is Balkan, sort of. The valley of "The Iron Gate" always seemed like a tough place to cross the Danube(Though Trajan did it) so I think the main crossings were above Buda or down just before the Danube splits in three, crossing south into Moesia. That is where I think Cniva crossed in the time of Decius. At practically the same time, Goths are supposedly settling in the lower Dnieper valley albeit on the west side of the river, but still well within the Ukraine. But all that doesn't clearly refute the possibility of earlier small or sizeable migrations. The Suebans from the far west crossed into Thrace (later called Moesia) with a multi-national force led by the Carpis and the Dacio-Getans in the 1st C. If you were on the Northern European plain in January, by March you could be anywhere from the Lower Rhine to the Black Sea by using the frozen tributaries as highways until you hit
 the big rivers and sometimes they were frozen too. East to west was similarly facilitated enabling the Goths to aid Valentinian when he was confronted by the Franks on the Rhine in the 4th C.> > 
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