[gothic-l] the word "the" as in "the house" or "the car"

[Peter Gutierrez]

Hi Oscar,

Nice to meet you. Thanks for your reply: it's much
appreciated. So, (so) and (sa) were used for (the).
(So) must have been the masculine and (Sa) the
feminine?  I often try to compare different languages
to English because in some ways English has so many
advantages over so many languages.  I was born in
Chile and my first language was Spanish, but after
having lived in California for 28 years, since the age
of 5, I have English engraved in my head. Even though
I still fluently speak Spanish, I can't help but to
stick with English, I guess for much the same reasons
that the Visigoths stuck with their form of latin. In
any case, I still love to learn about the ways that
the Visigoths influenced the Spanish language and any
influences they left on Spanish.  Anyway, in Spanish
(el), (lo), and (la) are used for (the) when used in
certain contexts. Sometimes I wish that in Spanish
there would be just one word for (the) just like the
English (the), but I digress.  Now, would you say that
these words(el, lo, la) were more influenced by Latin?
  What words or forms of speaking did the Visigoths
retain from their original language?

Peter Gutierrez
--- OSCAR HERRERA <duke.co at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> in gutiska,the ist so thau sa...so or sa is the word
> or depending on the sentencing of using the as an
> article or whatever....oscar
> åÇÏÒÏ× ÷ÌÁÄÉÍÉÒ <vegorov at ipiran.ru>
> wrote:********************
> Hi Peter!
>
> Gothic had definite articles, i.e. analogues to
> English ,
> but, leaving this item to more competent members of
> the Gothic-L,
> I'd like to note that Spanish is NOT an Arabic word.
>
> Otherwise we should accept Italian and French also
> as loan words from Arabic, which seems unbelievable.
>
> More probable (and widely accepted) is derivation
> of the definite articles in all Romance languages
> from Latin
> 'this, that' for various genders.
> Thus origination of the Romance article is the same
> as for
> Germanic one (cf. English from or High German
> from etc.).
> Though the change of in Italian to in Spanish
> may reflect some Moorish influence.
> By the way, the idea itself to put an article before
> all nouns
> may penetrate late Latin just from the Gothic,
> Langobardic
> or other Germanic languages.
>
> Vladimir
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Peter Gutierrez
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:42 AM
> To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gothic-l] the word "the" as in "the house"
> or "the car"
>
>
> Hi fellow lovers of the written language,
>
> Does anybody know what the visigoths might have used
> for the word "the." Spain uses an arabic word for
> "the" which is the word "EL." What the [edit] did
> the
> visigoths used prior to the moorish invasions? I
> imagine that they used something from their old
> gothic
> language. Perhaps something akin to ostrogothic or
> even something before they split up to become the
> east
> and west goths.
>
> Peter
>
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