Etymologie gothique pour "strava" ?

[llama_nom]

Impressive Gothic, Ualarauans,

Is 'silba-hliuþ' a calque on Icelandic 'sér-hljóð' "vowel"?  That's a
good idea.

'þannu' "so, therefore" seems to introduce information that would be
expected given what has already been said, but 'iþ' "but" marks a
contrast.  How about: 'iþ jabai' "but if", or 'iþ in þizei' "but
since/because"?  Or an absolute?

afar strawein > afar straweinai, dat. of *straweins "strewing"? 
Compare: haihaitun ina afar namin attins is Zakarian (L 1:59).

awiliuþ...faur skeirein > ...in skeireinais?  Cf. awiliudon skulum
guda sinteino in izwara (2Thess 1:3).

Llama Nom


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans at ...> wrote:
>
> Jam-mis thugkeith "strawa" haldis us Winithe nih Gutane brunnin 
> urrinnan. Ith thannu tho sunjon aitwmulaugia this waurdis ussokjan 
> wileima, ni ufarmunnoma thatei qithan was bi silbahliuth swllabeins 
> thizos frumeins – duhve strawa nih *sutrawa? Mahtu ist ei jah 
> Winithos in garazdja ize sinteinamma hlaiwamat hailagana analeiko 
> afar strawein namnidedun – winithisko *pro-sterti "straujan"(insaihv 
> du thamma samin waurda lateinisko sterno:streui, krekisko STRWNNYMI 
> jas-swa framis). At Attilins reikja theihandin, than Austragutans 
> thatuh haiti us muntha winithiskaize "ga-Hune" andhausidedun, an tho 
> innumein ustaiknein thairhsaihvan jah swesamma waurda "straujan" 
> gagaleikon ni mahtedun? Jabai nu raihtaba stauida, was "strawa" bi 
> sunjai waurd huniskata, thatist gamainjata allaim "Hunim" jaththe 
> gutisko jaththe winithisko (jaththe nauh hve) rodjandam.
> 
> I too would prefer Slavic, not Gothic, origin of "strava". But when 
> searching its true etymology I guess we shouldn't totally neglect 
> the said phonetic problem in the first syllable. To avoid this 
> difficulty, could it be possible to assume that the Slavs in their 
> daily speech derived the word for "funeral meal" from the same IE 
> stem as is in Gothic straujan? When the East Goths being subjects of 
> our little daddy noticed this term in the language of their Slavic 
> fellow "Huns", couldn't they perceive its semantic form and adopt it 
> mindfully as cognate to their own word "straujan"? If that be right, 
> then strava is truly a Hunnish word, in the sense it was common to 
> at least two groups of "Huns" irrespective of their particular 
> mother tongue – Gothic or Slavic (or maybe else more).
> 
> P.S. Mattathiau thiudana awiliuth mein mikilata faur skeirein 
> Reikihardaus aipistauleins thizos Fragkiskons! (I'm still not that 
> good in French but I am working on it)
> 
> P.P.S. Did someone see B. Arnim's Bemerkungen zum Hunnischen (ZSPh. 
> 1936, Bd. 13) where he argues that there are some Turkic words with 
> the same base (?) and similar "funeral" semantics?
> 
> P....S. Excuse my corrupted Gothic version prefacing a no less 
> corrupted English – just to make my trivial ideas look little more 
> pretentious OK
> 
> Ualarauans
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Budelberger, Richard" 
> <budelberger.richard@> wrote:
>






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