Gothic names

[ualarauans]

Hailai!

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, David Kiltz <derdron at ...> wrote:
> 
> On 25.07.2006, at 05:38, ualarauans wrote:
> 
> > I used to wonder why does Jordanes write Geberich not *Geberic 
(< Go.
> > *Gibareiks, "Balthane Baur sa Batista")?
> 
> Good point. I really can't say. It may be a spelling whim. Or 
maybe,
> in the case of _-rich_ he was influenced by Langobardian names ?

A Lombard influence may seem probable in this particular case, also 
because it spells Geberich not *Geueric (cf. Lomb. morgingab 
(morgincap) vs. Burgundian (= Gothic?) morginegiua). But perhaps 
this late-Latin -b- could stand both for [b] and [v]? Is there some 
evidence that members of different Germanic tribes could influence 
each other's names phonetically? For instance, we've got Burgundian 
names spelled like Godomarus (Go. *Gudamers), Gundomarus 
(*Gunthimers), Leudomarus (*Liudimers) along with Augemirus 
(*Augamers), Baldaridus (*Balthareths) etc. Here we periodically 
meet -mar- for –mer- and /d/ for /th/ which features are clearly 
West-Germanic. It's interesting if it were names only, or the whole 
phonetic system of Burgundian, wavering between West- and East-
Germanic?

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Michal Cigan <michalcigan at ...>
wrote:
> 
> By the way, its truth, that slavic ending -mir vas probably 
derived from gothic
> pattern - also with its introduced etymological solution - but 
what about its
> another, paralel form: -mar (Slavomar, Jaromar) - any idea?

It might perhaps be a similar case here. These names you cite - they 
are Czech and Slovak, right? That is, they probably are not common 
Slavic. It could have been local variants influenced by contemporary 
names of the German neighbors ending in –mar. And, AFAIK, there 
still exist older variants Slavomir and Jaromir, don't they? So, 
it's a question of chronology: -mir < Gothic -mers into common 
Slavic (the Migration period); -mar < High German -mar into several 
West-Slavic languages (Middle Age?)

Ualarauans





You are a member of the Gothic-L list.  To unsubscribe, send a blank email to <gothic-l-unsubscribe at egroups.com>. 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
    gothic-l-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/