Gothic names

[Michal Cigan]

Hi Ualarauans,

thing is little bit more difficult.
Slavomar is really archaic, we can say "Czech-Slovak form", even though in modern language it is used modern common slavic -mir (Slavomir). But Jaromar is from norh Germany, Rugen, Arkona..., (even I have no information about its existence in another slavic regions)
But maybe Burgundian influence could be the solutions, especially in the "Great Moravian" case of Slavomar.

Michal

ualarauans <ualarauans at yahoo.com> wrote:                                  Hailai!
 
 --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, David Kiltz <derdron at ...> wrote:
 > 
 > On 25.07.2006, at 05:38, ualarauans wrote:
 > 
 > > I used to wonder why does Jordanes write Geberich not *Geberic 
 (< Go.
 > > *Gibareiks, "Balthane Baur sa Batista")?
 > 
 > Good point. I really can't say. It may be a spelling whim. Or 
 maybe,
 > in the case of _-rich_ he was influenced by Langobardian names ?
 
 A Lombard influence may seem probable in this particular case, also 
 because it spells Geberich not *Geueric (cf. Lomb. morgingab 
 (morgincap) vs. Burgundian (= Gothic?) morginegiua). But perhaps 
 this late-Latin -b- could stand both for [b] and [v]? Is there some 
 evidence that members of different Germanic tribes could influence 
 each other's names phonetically? For instance, we've got Burgundian 
 names spelled like Godomarus (Go. *Gudamers), Gundomarus 
 (*Gunthimers), Leudomarus (*Liudimers) along with Augemirus 
 (*Augamers), Baldaridus (*Balthareths) etc. Here we periodically 
 meet -mar- for –mer- and /d/ for /th/ which features are clearly 
 West-Germanic. It's interesting if it were names only, or the whole 
 phonetic system of Burgundian, wavering between West- and East-
 Germanic?
 
 --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Michal Cigan <michalcigan at ...>
 wrote:
 > 
 > By the way, its truth, that slavic ending -mir vas probably 
 derived from gothic
 > pattern - also with its introduced etymological solution - but 
 what about its
 > another, paralel form: -mar (Slavomar, Jaromar) - any idea?
 
 It might perhaps be a similar case here. These names you cite - they 
 are Czech and Slovak, right? That is, they probably are not common 
 Slavic. It could have been local variants influenced by contemporary 
 names of the German neighbors ending in –mar. And, AFAIK, there 
 still exist older variants Slavomir and Jaromir, don't they? So, 
 it's a question of chronology: -mir < Gothic -mers into common 
 Slavic (the Migration period); -mar < High German -mar into several 
 West-Slavic languages (Middle Age?)
 
 Ualarauans
 
 
     
                       

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