Tyringi and Tervingi

[ualarauans]

Hi Dirk,

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <d.faltin@> wrote:
>
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans at ...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Did someone try to link this name with Gothic *Tairwiggos? It
really
> > seems a perfect match, as far as phonetics is concerned. Still, 
it
> > can also prove a mere coincidence. Surely we could try and find
> > somewhere a toponym *Griessingen (< *Griutiggos, Greutungi) as
well.
> > But in the light of the other data collected by you, the
suggestion
> > of Teruingi-Zehringer settling down in what would become 
Thuringia
> > appears pretty probable.
>
> 
> Hi Ualarauans,
> 
> <...>
> Should Gothic *Tairwiggos not have evolved into Zehrwinger rather
> than Zehringer?

Well, strictly spoken, if we drag Gothic *Tairwigggos through all 
the historic changes in High German as a petrified item (that is as 
if it had been borrowed without much understanding of its meaning), 
the result must be *Zerbinger, as the consonant group PG –rw- 
yielded OHG –raw- and NHG –rb- before a vowel. Examples are PG
*farwô(n) > OHG farawa > MHG varwe > NHG Farbe; PG *garwjanan > OHG 
garawen > MHG garwen, gerwen > NHG gerben; et al. But I think we 
could find in this formation a kind of a later re-distribution of 
the constituent morphemes. That is, the word was understood as 
derived from the word "tar" (OHG zero) through hanging up the 
suffix –ing. This –w- would probably get lost historically in the 
single-standing noun, with a compensatory lengthening of the root 
vowel (zero > ze:r, written zehr, like Low German teer). The suffix 
could be added directly to the re-formed stem. Thus the form 
*Zehringer could result.

I'd not bet my head on the explanation above, and would greatly 
appreciate a correction by an expert in the German language history.

> I think one problem with the name Thuringia could have arisen from
> the fact that the name had basically fallen out of use in the
> 13th/14th century and that it was only revived in around 1800.

That could naturally explain a lot! Inter alia, why we've got the 
archaic Th-Anlaut instead of *Düringen (if originally [þ]) or 
Züringen (if originally [t]).

Ualarauans






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