Tribes in Ostrogothia: a re-run

[daniel_lans]

It helps, thanks! :)
So, in Theodoric's realm we have the following peoples maintaining 
their own identities for a longer period of time:
- Goths
- Romans
- Rugians: joined Theodoric after the defeat of their kingdom in 
Niederösterreich 487, settled in Venetia, not intermarrying outside 
their tribe, and still distinguished as a separate people in 541 
when their chieftain Eraric was made King of the Ostrogoths.
- Bittuguric Huns: joined Theodoric before the trek to Italy, and in 
553 the leader of the Ostrogothic resistors of Campsa was 
distinguished as a Bittuguric Hun (despite his germanic name 
Ragnaris)
- Alamanni: refugees from the Franks, settled by Theodoric among 
else in the Alps, where they evolved into the Schwyzerdütsch.
- Gepids: prisoners of war in Sirmium 508 and settled among else in 
Provence, supposedly supporting the Rugians in making Eraric king 
541 (Wolfram).
- Suevi: the "antiqui barbari" (old barbarians) of Savia/Pannonia, 
who were not found outside their region until Vitigis called them to 
war against the Byzantines. After that they became Lombardic.

Here are some people whose ethnic survival in the Ostrogothic 
Kingdom is still unattested as far as I know:
- Heruls: joined the Goths as two different groups, the Heruls of 
Odoacer's army and the Herulic refugees from the defeat by the 
Lombards. 
- Sciri: part of Odoacer's army. Does anyone know any example of a 
person distinguished as a Sciri in the 6th century?

/Daniel


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, macmaster at ... wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if this helps but, IIRC, Theodoric resettled some 
Alemanni
> groups in the Alps where their descendants still remain; the 
Schweitzer
> Deutsch still speak an Allemanisch dialect.
> These Alemanni though didn't play much of a role in the Gothic 
state or
> its affairs.
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> daniel_lans wrote:
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Oskar Andersson" <o.andersson@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello listmembers,
> >>
> >> I would like to ask if someone knows about which other tribes 
were
> > living in Ostrogothic Italy still maintaining their identity. I
> > think Heather refers to Rugi as living indepedently with their
> > own "subleader" ever since they joined Theodoric in 487. This 
info
> > is from Procopius, btw.
> >>
> >> Any ideas on independent peoples within Theodoric's reign? I do
> > not ask for Romans, of course, but minor groupings... Any 
theories
> > or ideas?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Oskar
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> > I have the same question as Oscar, and the last time Bittuguric 
Huns
> > were mentioned, but no other gens. So... in Theodoric's Regnum we
> > have people calling themselves Goths, Rugians, Bittugures, Romans
> > and what else?
> > Are there any Scirians left that we know of? Or other remnants of
> > Odoacer's army?
> > Groups of Gepidae, Heruli and Alamanni entered Theodoric's realm 
as
> > prisoners of war or refugees, but did they maintain their 
identities?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> >
> >
>









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