Was the word "kunig/kunigas/kunigur" a gothic word?

[michelsauvant]

Hi,
Yes, sorry, I made a mistake I wrote "kunego" instaedt of "kunegu" 
in my source :
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=topic&searchmode=phrase
a very usefull dictionary.

But the  difference is still there.
In his message Ualarauans wrote "kunendzi" for Old Church Slavonic. 
And you wrote "k'nenz'"
Your first " ' " is an "u" and the second is in place of an "i" . I 
suppose that for some linguist the second one could be also an " u".

I explain the difference by the different conventional alphabets you 
took to represent what was written in an alphabet we couldn't have 
on this server. 

Frienly
Michel


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Michal Cigan <michalcigan at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Hi, 
> only little correction,
> 
> You wrote:
> ...The word "kunego" = prinz in old slavonic...
> 
> I do not know, what's Your source, but as far as I know, the old 
slavic word for "prince", or "duke" was k'nenz', and it's probably a 
borrowing from some germanic language - I heard about a theory, that 
it's a loanword from old high german
> 
> Michal
> 
> 
> michelsauvant <michelsauvant at ...> 
wrote:                                  Hello
>  
>  I'm a French and specialist of toponomy for Northern Catalonia 
>  (Gothaland??) a region where Visigoths lived between 414 and the 
>  750's (Septimania).
>  
>  I am writing to you in order to verify a personal assumption 
about 
>  the name "Canigo" of one of the summit in this country.
>  
>  This name could have been given by Goths as  "Kunighauh" .
>  But what could be the exact meaning ? 
>  
>  I read all the messages about the words for "king" in gothic 
>  language, and I know that there is no evidence that Goths 
borrowed a 
>  word like "kunig" or something else similar, with the meaning 
>  of "king".
>  But we know that such word existed, around the Ost-Baltic sea, 
>  spoken by Visigoth's ancestors. At that time the meaning could 
>  be "noble" and Visigoths could have borrowed the word with the 
same 
>  meaning, or the meaning of "prinz", despite their usage of the 
>  words "reiks" or " thiodans" for their proper kings.
>  The word "kunego" = prinz in old slavonic  is compatible with my 
>  assumption.
>  
>  I precise that this remarkable mountain Canigo -- we can see it 
from 
>  the sea side the main summit (around 2800m) like the Fujijama 
>  inJapan-- was not mentioned by antics authors travelling there.
>  Despite 5 centuries with the grecian city of Emporion near it, 
and 5 
>  centuries of government by Romans! 
>  So its name seems to be done between 400 (start of the lack of 
>  authors writing about something with no relation with the Bible) 
and 
>  875 (first occurrence of the name "Canigo" in a document). 
>  In consequence this name is necessarily from Visigoths or Franks. 
>  But I can explain why this name was not created by Franks coming 
>  around 750.
>  And I can tell you that a name meaning "Noble Mount " is 
>  particularly adapted to its magnificence. The highness of the 
Canigo 
>  could have inspired this adjective to the Goths.
>  
>  If you tell me that this assumption is false, I have an other 
>  assumption:
>  The proto-germanic  ancestor of the OHG word "kunig"or "kunning" 
>  (and all the similar words meaning "king" in various countries) 
>  could have been a concatenation between "kuni"= "family or 
people" 
>  and "gur" = "en haut". I think at the corresponding 
word "kunigur" 
>  in the isolated Iceland. 
>  In that case the etymological meaning of an hypothetical gothic 
>  word "kunig" (or "kunigo" or "kunigas") could be "somebody being 
>  over the members of his family, or tribu or clan"
 as a king is.
>  In this case it could have been used for a personified summit 
over 
>  the other summits in the same set of mountains, to tell everybody 
>  that is the highest mountain.
>  NB. An other origine for "kuning/kunigas/kunigur" could 
>  be "Khan+i+goh" = higher lord.
>  considering that "khan" was the word for "lord" somewhere in 
central 
>  Asia. 
>  
>  If these two assumptions are false, I must admit that some indo-
>  european around 1500-800BC gave the name "khanigo" as a 
>  concatenation of "Khan + i +go" = higher summit (hier "Khan" 
>  means "summit" (preindoeuropean meaning ),  even if no antic 
author 
>  mentioned this remarkable mountain. 
>  
>  What do you thing of  this ?
>  
>  Best regards
>  
>  Michel Sauvant
>  michelsauvant at ...
>  
>  
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