GBRP / Naihaimias & James 3:6 [was just] Re: James 3:6

[thiudans]

Can we add this to the slowly growing GBRP (gothic bible
reconstruction project?). So far, following the textus receptus has
got us fairly stylistically continuous to the extant wulfilian
translation/gloss.

I'm putting a version of Naihaimias in its present state into the
gothic-l files folder, for criticism should anyone be so inclined.
That follows the Sept. mostly, with notes where deemed appropriate.

Cheers,
Th.



--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans at ...> wrote:
>
> Hails, Lama!
> 
> Thank you very much for your correction. I've got some further 
> doubts concerning this fragment and I'd appreciate to know what the 
> list-mates think.
> 
> KOSMOS = fairhvus "world", but isn't "ornament", "attire" another 
> meaning of the Greek word? In this context, couldn't the tongue be 
> called a "decoration of iniquity", i.e. a means to disguise it
> (with lies)? We've got Go. fetjan KOSMEIN "to adorn", "to decorate"; 
> hrains, gafaurs KOSMIOS "decent" attested. hO KOSMOS THS ADIKIAS = 
> feteins inwindiþos?
> 
> KAQISTATAI = gasatida ist. Or, maybe, gasatjada?
> 
> hH SPILOUSA = anawammjandei. Doesn't it need the article here:
> so anawammjandei? And what about no article before the first 
> appearance of tuggo in the sentence and putting it before the second 
> one – is it correct here?
> 
> FLOGIZEIN = intandjan (attested for KATAKAIEIN). Another variant 
> was, of course, inbrannjan (KAIEIN). We've got lauhmuni for FLOX 
> (gen. FLOGOS). How about *lauhmunjan for FLOGIZEIN (formally like 
> glitmunjan)? And, FLOGIZOMENH hUPO THS GEENNHS – couldn't it be also 
> intandjada fram gaiainnin? BTW, am I right putting dat. sg.
> of gaiainna* after weak masculina (gaiainnin*)? Maybe, the only 
> attested acc. sg. gaiainnan is but a copy of Greek acc. sg. fem.
> 1st decl. GEENNAN?
> 
> Finally, TROCOS = runs (attested for DROMOS). And we know rinnan for 
> TRECEIN. Here there's a problem. In my grandparents' library I 
> recently found an old book titled "Grammatik des neutestamentlichen 
> Sprachidioms", bearb. von Dr. G. B. Winer, Leipzig, 1867, where on 
> p. 53 I read: "Begründet ... ist der Unterschied zwischen TROCOS 
> (oxytonon) "Rad", wie Jac. 3, 6. der Text und die accentuirten Codd. 
> haben, und TROCOS (paroxytonon) "Lauf", wie nach ... u. A. gelesen 
> werden soll... Das Bild TROCOS (oxytonon) GENESEWS ist
> (mit FLOGIZOUSA verbunden) weder incorrect noch bei Jacobus 
> besonders auffällig, eine Aenderung der Schreibart mithin unnötig". 
> I have no idea in how much outdated this is now, but if it was 
> really "a wheel of birth", what could Gothic "wheel" be like?
> 
> Ualarauans
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:
> 
> > Hails, Walhahrabn!
> > 
> > Looks convincing.  Just one thing comes to mind: I would suggest
> > 'fram' rather than 'af' to translate hUPO here.  This seems to be 
> the
> > normal preposition used where Gothic needs to express the agent in 
> a
> > passive construction (unlike Old Norse, where it would be 'af').  I
> > can't think of any examples where 'af' is used in this way in the
> > Gothic corpus.
> > 
> > http://www.wulfila.be/lib/streitberg/1910/HTML/B037.html
> > http://www.wulfila.be/lib/streitberg/1910/HTML/B001.html
> > 
> > LN
> > 
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans@> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hails!
> > >
> > > (James 3:6):
> > >
> > > "And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue
> > > among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth 
> on
> > > fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell".
> > >
> > > KAI hH GLWSSA PUR hO KOSMOS THS ADIKIAS hH GLWSSA KAQISTATAI EN 
> TOIS
> > > MELESIN hHMWN hH SPILOUSA hOLON TO SWMA KAI FLOGIZOUSA TON TROCON
> > > THS GENESEWS KAI FLOGIZOMENH hUPO THS GEENNHS
> > >
> > > [*] jah tuggo <ist> fon fairhvus inwindiþos so tuggo gasatida 
> ist in
> > > liþum unsaraim anawammjandei allata leik jah intandjandei run
> > > gabaurþais jah intandida af gaiainnin
> > >
> > > Please criticize the Gothic version. All comments are welcome.
> > >
> > > Thanx
> > >
> > > Ualarauans
>


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