Acts 26:9

[ualarauans]

Hi,

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "gutdwala" <gutdwala at ...> wrote:
>
> It seems fine to me, but a little awkward. I understood the meaning 
of
> the sentence though. But if nothing like that is attested, I would
> probably go with 'ei skuldedjau managa andaneiþona gataujan', it just
> seems a little more clear.

Syntactic calques from Greek seem indeed awkward sometimes. The 
infinitive is used both in Septuaginta (DEIN) and Vulgate (debere).
I know there are cases where Greek infinitives are rendered with
ei + finite verb (subjunctive) though I can't recall examples right 
now. But I fear that if using the paraphrase like that the connection 
between the object (wiþra namo Iesuis þis Nazoraiaus) and the 
predicate (managa andaneiþona gataujan) will be lost or at least 
obscured. To change it into 'ei skuldedjau wiþra namo Iesuis þis 
Nazoraiaus managa andaneiþona gataujan' would mean to digress too far 
from the original. A nice excuse would be a couple of attested 
examples where Wulfila acts this way.

> Does this mean that we're still working on filling in non-extant
> portions of the translation? It's a little out there, but I've got a
> few chapters of Enoch thrown together. I remember seeing some
> reconstructed bits on some sites a few years ago, maybe Matthew
> Carver's? Are those all in the files section or is that newer stuff?

Well, I just reconstruct separate verses which are needed for my 
research. I haven't seen this particular fragment anywhere else,
but I haven't seen a lot of things after all. Generally, when doing an 
orderly reconstruction I can't get rid of the feeling that someone 
somewhere has already done this job. The Gothic Bible has been studied 
so long and so thoroughly that all the gaps must have been filled in 
many years ago. There are probably several full versions of the Bible 
by different authors.

Ualarauans
 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans at ...> wrote:
> >
> > Acts 26:9
> >
> > King James': "I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many
> > things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth"
> >
> > Greek (LXX): EGW MEN OUN EDOXA EMAUTWi PROS TO ONOMA IHSOU TOU
> > NAZWRAIOU DEIN POLLA ENANTIA PRAXAI
> >
> > Latin (Jerome): et ego quidem existimaueram me aduersus nomen Iesu
> > Nazareni debere multa contraria agere
> >
> > Gothic (myself): þanuh þan ik þuhta mis silbin wiþra namo Iesuis 
þis
> > Nazoraiaus skulan managa andaneiþona gataujan.
> >
> > I couldn't find anywhere infinitive skulan being used like this, so
> > other variants are:
> >
> > – ei skuldedjau managa andaneiþona gataujan
> > - ei skulda weseina managa andaneiþona gataujan
> >
> > Your votes and suggestions?
> >
> > Ualarauans

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